Guest guest Posted October 8, 1999 Report Share Posted October 8, 1999 > Are you saying that ISKCON gurus are second > class or lower? > > If yes: The you are yourself guilty of what you have been accusing others > for the past few weeks. Excuse me, I know this your question was not directed to me, but I'm curious what's wrong with saying that ISKCON gurus are devotees of the second class (madhyama-adhikari)? If we put emotions aside, why you consider it offensive? It doesn't mean they are fallen or not vaisnavas. It doesn't mean they cannot accept disciples, Srila Prabhupada said in NOI they can. But the first class (uttama-adhikari) is the level of Srila Prabhupada and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta. Such a devotee can never fall down. As I understand, the GBC has recognized that the present ISKCON gurus aren't on that level, therefore last spring the resolution appeared about vyasasanas, guru-pujas, vyasa-pujas, etc, and the following passage was removed from the ISKCON law: "As it is enjoined in scripture that a devotee must honor his spiritual master as much as he honors the Lord, every devotee in ISKCON accordingly has the right to worship, glorify, and serve his guru. As long as the guru is in good standing, no ISKCON leader shall curtail or abrogate that right." And why can it not be that some of them are lower than the second class? No offence meant, just wondering. Madhyama-adhikari is quite high a level. It begins with the stage of nistha. Would be very good if we attain it in this life. Even to become kanistha-adhikari is not so easy because the kanistha, by definition, should have firm faith in the Deity. Your servant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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