Guest guest Posted November 11, 1999 Report Share Posted November 11, 1999 Dear Samba Prabhu "everyone of us should be ideal to the other so everyone can get the impetus to make progress more and more" ....Srila Prabhupada (1965) Please accept my obeisances.All glories to Srla Prabhupada! Did you read my posting of Nov 10 explaining how NO money was given, taken or ever existed regarding taxes at Saranagati? I didn't put any of the text in that post in bold type so as not to seem to be shouting at the members, but it is a very important point. It was mentioned once that it would be ideal if qualified staff from the Ministry of cow protection could visit all of the farms. I agree. I'm uncomfortable with the issue being discussed at length without someone qualified gathering all of the facts. It feels unfair, impersonal and disrespectful . The Saranagati devotees do not have computers, or even electricity and phone. They are not aware of these discussions and have no way of directly representiing themselves on this conference. This issue first came to light 3 years ago . Has anyone written to them inquiring as to all of the details and heard from them directly before passing judgement and or including them in a list of cow abuse? I don't believe so. If not, it doesn't seem right to me. It is unfortunate if faith in the members who are championing the important cause of cow protection is undermined by not according appropriate treatment to the devotees as well as the cows. Please inquire fully before coming to conclusions. I thankyou ahead of time for this consideration. your servant, Lola devi dasi On 11 Nov 1999, Samba das wrote: > > Or, even the first one year's blood money could have been used to buy the > > fencing and the problem would have been solved. Instead the money was used > > for what? And for how many years? > > I was going to make the same point. How much does 5 miles of fencing cost. > Surely $11,000 would cover it? > > YS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 1999 Report Share Posted November 11, 1999 Ideally, this discussion should not continue much further before Gopal Krishna Maharaja or one of the other GBCs for Saranagati visits the farm and files a farm report. This topic would come up in the farm report. Then the Ministry of Cow Protection and Agriculture can deal with it. This is exactly why GBC input and guidance is needed. The cowherds or residents dealing on their own may not have the resourcefulness to solve this situation -- or even the spiritual awareness that this is an extremely inauspicious situation. But this is where a conscientious GBC working in consultation with the Ministry of Cow Protection and Agriculture can think of another solution to the problem -- perhaps one which would even expand the preaching opportunities for the Saranagati community by getting more outside devotees to come and support their project. One possible problem that you have hinted at is that Saranagati is not technically an ISKCON farm. If a community is not governed by ISKCON laws, I think it is misleading to list it in Back to Godhead as an ISKCON farm community. Many nice devotees live in Prabhupada Village for example, but it is not listed in Back to Godhead. In any case the Vancouver-Western Canada GBC's should straighten this situation out with the Ministry of Agriculture -- as to whether Saranagati is indeed an ISKCON farm community and expected to follow ISKCON law 507 with regards to cow protection. As you indicate, Prabhu, it probably is not too appropriate for us to try to figure out this whole situation without additional input. My only point is that there was a problem in the past, and I hope it has been or will be appropriately addressed. your servant, Hare Krsna dasi8 "WWW: Lola (Devi Dasi) ACBSP (Vancouver - CAN)" wrote: > [Text 2771822 from COM] > > Dear Samba Prabhu > > "everyone of us should be ideal to the other so everyone can get the impetus > to make progress more and more" ....Srila Prabhupada (1965) > > Please accept my obeisances.All glories to Srla Prabhupada! > Did you read my posting of Nov 10 explaining how NO money was given, taken or > ever existed regarding taxes at Saranagati? I didn't put any of the text in > that post in bold type so as not to seem to be shouting at the members, but it > is a very important point. > > It was mentioned once that it would be ideal if qualified staff from the > Ministry of cow protection could visit all of the farms. I agree. I'm > uncomfortable with the issue being discussed at length without someone > qualified gathering all of the facts. It feels unfair, impersonal and > disrespectful . The Saranagati devotees do not have computers, or even > electricity and phone. They are not aware of these discussions and have no > way of directly representiing themselves on this conference. > > This issue first came to light 3 years ago . Has anyone written to them > inquiring as to all of the details and heard from them directly before passing > judgement and or including them in a list of cow abuse? I don't believe so. > If not, it doesn't seem right to me. It is unfortunate if faith in the > members who are championing the important cause of cow protection is > undermined by not according appropriate treatment to the devotees as well as > the cows. Please inquire fully before coming to conclusions. I thankyou > ahead of time for this consideration. > > your servant, > Lola devi dasi > > On 11 Nov 1999, Samba das wrote: > > > > Or, even the first one year's blood money could have been used to buy the > > > fencing and the problem would have been solved. Instead the money was used > > > for what? And for how many years? > > > > I was going to make the same point. How much does 5 miles of fencing cost. > > Surely $11,000 would cover it? > > > > YS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 1999 Report Share Posted November 11, 1999 > > > It was mentioned once that it would be ideal if qualified staff from the > Ministry of cow protection could visit all of the farms. I agree. I'm > uncomfortable with the issue being discussed at length without someone > qualified gathering all of the facts. That is the purpose of the quarterly inspections. The GBC should either go personally or send a monitor quarterly. Any concerned person reading this exchange who would volunteer to be the monitor for this project on behalf of the responsible GBC member? The monitor has to fill out a form, that is fairly straightforward, and should read and be familiar with the Cow Standards. The Standards were designed with an eye to the fact that it would be necessary for nonfarm devotees to be carrying out these inspections. In theory, it is all layed out, just sort of like painting by the numbers. Certainly some flaws will emerge as we begin to get feed back, but it is a seviceable system in theory, and useable by any reasonably sensible person with or without a farm background. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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