There was NO money

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COM: Madhava Gosh (das) ACBSP (New Vrindavan - USA)

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> >

> >

> > It was mentioned once that it would be ideal if qualified staff from the

> > Ministry of cow protection could visit all of the farms. I agree. I'm

> > uncomfortable with the issue being discussed at length without someone

> > qualified gathering all of the facts.

>

> That is the purpose of the quarterly inspections. The GBC should either

go

> personally or send a monitor quarterly. Any concerned person reading this

> exchange who would volunteer to be the monitor for this project on behalf

of

> the

> responsible GBC member? The monitor has to fill out a form, that is

fairly

> straightforward, and should read and be familiar with the Cow Standards.

The

> Standards were designed with an eye to the fact that it would be necessary

for

> nonfarm devotees to be carrying out these inspections. In theory, it is

all

> layed out, just sort of like painting by the numbers.

>

> Certainly some flaws will emerge as we begin to get feed back, but it is

a

> seviceable system in theory, and useable by any reasonably sensible

person

> with

> or without a farm background.

>

I have written a request to Vkramuykha Swami wh ois suppose to be in

Vancouver Feb. 15. to fulfill the GBC report Forms or have a Monitor do so.

I explained that this rather important since the devotees want to know the

truth. We shall see what Krsna arranges. We do not have any Lakshmi to send

a representative to investigate as this Ministry is unfunded.

 

Your servant,

Balabhadra das

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> Dear Samba Prabhu

>

> "everyone of us should be ideal to the other so everyone can get the

> impetus to make progress more and more" ....Srila Prabhupada (1965)

>

> Please accept my obeisances.All glories to Srla Prabhupada!

> Did you read my posting of Nov 10 explaining how NO money was given, taken

> or ever existed regarding taxes at Saranagati?

 

Ooops, yes sorry I did see that text, but it was too late I had already

posted my text.

 

Actualy I regret posting that text now, who am I to judge or say anything

about something I personaly know very little about.

 

It seems odd that Saranagati has to be responsible to keep cows out, surely

the owner has a responsibility to keep his cows in? But I merely wanted to

second the suggestion that if there was money coming, why not use it to

build the fence. Obviously... no money... no fence.

 

I personaly am very inspired by many of the things I have heard about

Saranagati, and Madana Mohan prabhu, is a good friend of mine. If you see

him please pass on a hearty Haribol.

 

Your servant

Samba das

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The problem is this: The implication is being made here that if the

Saranagati community does not recieve a $10,000 tax break for grazing cow

to be sent to slaughter, then the community cannot exist.

 

I find this implication very troubling.

 

Does that mean that if the beef farmer's cows get infected with

bruccelosis or mad cow disease and he decides to go out of the beef

business entirely, that a Hare Krsna community has to close down.

Wouldn't they find some other way of surviving?

 

How does this look for their preaching: Our community survives because we

receive an indirect subsidy from the cow slaughter industry.

 

If this is the basis of the economic life of the community, I just have to

say that it should not be acceptable for an official ISKCON community.

 

I also believe that through the cooperative efforts of a spiritually

qualified GBC and ISKCON's Minister of Cow Protection and Agriculture a

more Krsna conscious means of livelihood than a cow-slaughter tax subsidy

can be found to keep the community alive.

 

 

Again, I emphasize: We have not heard from Saranagati's GBC. It may be

that Saranagati is no longer being subsidized by the beef cow tax

exemption. In that case, it still seems that they are tainted by their

history of cow abuse (as are so many other ISKCON farms, such as

Vrndavana, Mayapura, New Vrndvana, Murari Sevaka, etc.). In that case, at

least there should be some public apology and atonement forthcoming.

Otherwise the community will surely decline, due to the effects of bad

karma.

 

As Srila Prabhupada has stated, one cannot become spiritually advanced

without practicing cow protection. It's very hard to point out this kind

of fault when one personally knows the devotees. The devotees at

Saranagati are some of the nicest people that I have met in ISKCON.

 

But for their own spiritual welfare, they must recognize this truth: It

will not be possible for them to make spiritual advancement as long as

they continue to stand in the shadow of a legacy of cow abuse.

 

your servant,

 

Hare Krsna dasi

 

 

On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, COM: Samba (das) SDG (Mauritius) wrote:

 

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> > Dear Samba Prabhu

> >

> > "everyone of us should be ideal to the other so everyone can get the

> > impetus to make progress more and more" ....Srila Prabhupada (1965)

> >

> > Please accept my obeisances.All glories to Srla Prabhupada!

> > Did you read my posting of Nov 10 explaining how NO money was given, taken

> > or ever existed regarding taxes at Saranagati?

>

> Ooops, yes sorry I did see that text, but it was too late I had already

> posted my text.

>

> Actualy I regret posting that text now, who am I to judge or say anything

> about something I personaly know very little about.

>

> It seems odd that Saranagati has to be responsible to keep cows out, surely

> the owner has a responsibility to keep his cows in? But I merely wanted to

> second the suggestion that if there was money coming, why not use it to

> build the fence. Obviously... no money... no fence.

>

> I personaly am very inspired by many of the things I have heard about

> Saranagati, and Madana Mohan prabhu, is a good friend of mine. If you see

> him please pass on a hearty Haribol.

>

> Your servant

> Samba das

>