Yep, Vedic India, still a whole lot better than your beloved

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>

>

> Good, that means we can understand from you that in general (as per Srila

> Prabhupada's generalization and as opposed to the west) Indian men are

> dutiful husbands who can serve as role models for their western

> counterparts. And since Srila Prabhupada was talking about married couples

> (not simply men), that Indian women may also serve as role models for their

> western counterparts. Don't you agree?

 

This is great! In the West, I am considered fallen if I visit a sex worker,

but since it is a more common practice in India, it must be authorised! I can

see why you like the place so much.

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> >

> >

> > Good, that means we can understand from you that in general (as per

> > Srila Prabhupada's generalization and as opposed to the west) Indian men

> > are dutiful husbands who can serve as role models for their western

> > counterparts. And since Srila Prabhupada was talking about married

> > couples (not simply men), that Indian women may also serve as role

> > models for their western counterparts. Don't you agree?

>

> This is great! In the West, I am considered fallen if I visit a sex

> worker, but since it is a more common practice in India, it must be

> authorised! I can see why you like the place so much.

 

KK... if you "like the place so much" as our sage has observed... why in the

heck are you living in Baltimore! :-)

 

To quote a "western song" written 30 years ago; "get back, get back..." :-)

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>KK... if you "like the place so much" as our sage has observed... why in

the

>heck are you living in Baltimore! :-)

>

>To quote a "western song" written 30 years ago; "get back, get back..." :-)

 

We're working on it, really. For artha and kama, the west is good, for

dharma and moksha, India is good.

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On 25 Nov 1999, Christopher Shannon wrote:

 

> >KK... if you "like the place so much" as our sage has observed... why in

the heck are you living in Baltimore! :-)

> >

> >To quote a "western song" written 30 years ago; "get back, get back..." :-)

>

> We're working on it, really. For artha and kama, the west is good, for

> dharma and moksha, India is good.

 

 

 

Now don't that just take the cake! Here we got an Indian wannabe who appears

to be addicted to living in the West simply for economic and sensual

exploitation! Hows that for the ol' Vedic preaching spirit!

 

And to think -- what would Mickey say about that?

 

ys,

 

Sthita

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

..

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>> counterparts. And since Srila Prabhupada was talking about married

>> couples (not simply men), that Indian women may also serve as role models

>> for their western counterparts. Don't you agree?

 

> I don't. Western women have completely different cultural background and

>demending from them to be like the women of indian cultural background

>wouldn't work and it doesn't work. The purpose of the International Society

>for Krishna Consciousness is to make people Krishna conscious and not a

>hindu, or Indian. Things that work for hidnu women might not work for the

>western women and vice versa.

>

 

 

It is interesting that you only commented on western women. Would you also

say the same for western men? So far, I have not seen anyone deny that

western men should adopt Indian customs that Srila Prabhupada said should be

emulated. Why would you want to make an exception for western women, but

not for western men?

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>

>

> We're working on it, really. For artha and kama, the west is good, for

> dharma and moksha, India is good.

 

Why thank you. Maybe there is hope after all.

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>

> It is interesting that you only commented on western women. Would you

> also say the same for western men? So far, I have not seen anyone deny

> that western men should adopt Indian customs that Srila Prabhupada said

> should be emulated. Why would you want to make an exception for western

> women, but not for western men?

 

I am actually tired of this men and women business. It is neither men nor

women fault that we have ended up in the society we have ended up in. If you

look some hundred years back you will see that even in this very low West

people were very religious. In every village there was a church, even in the

very small ones, big joint families existed and all of that that still

exists in India and you are proud about. Almost everybody was living of the

land and family structure was very strong. It is interesting to see were did

the family structure start to break. It started with the industrialisation,

when people began to work in the factories. And since then, the more the

society advences in the field of technology, the more the family structure

breaks down.

The reason for this is that demons are in charge of the whole Earth. They

are systematically destroing the family structure and selfsufficient way of

living. As long as people were living of the land, they were much more

religios and more difficult to control. Everybody was praying to God for a

good harvest and similar things. But today by the mercy of the tehnology

people are ending up somewhere in some cubicles and their association are

newspapers and TV. Once they move to the cities it is much easier to control

them and exploit them. On every level there is propaganda to enjoy your

senses and forget about God. And there is no way back, because demons made

sure, by different laws, that it is not possible to live of the land

anymore. Growing your own food is not considered farming and one has to pay

big tax for having a land. That is one of the reasons why ISKCON is

strugling with its farm-projects.

 

The main reason why the family structure still exist in India is that 75%

of the population is still living of the land. As long as that agricultural

structure exist it is easy to maintain the family structure. But in the big

cities advancement has taken place. Sex before a marriage is becoming common

thing even in Indias big cities. I don't think that we have to wait long

time to see that the family structure is breaking down even in India.

 

So, the picture is much biger than just some women wanting to be

independent. So long we are not able to be economically selfsufficient, we

will have to play according to demoniac society rules. We will have to drink

water with fluor which is so-called good for your teeth, but it actually

makes your brain dull and makes you more receptive for control. We will have

to drink recycled water with female and male hormons, so in the future would

be almost impossible to recognize who is in a male and who in a female body.

 

Instead of wasting our time on this useless discussions, like who beated

whom and why, it is better if we all try to meditate how to make those

varnasrama villages Srila Prabhupada wanted. If we want to have the family

structure then we will have to make that kind of society were living in the

families is normal way of living. That is agricultural structure were people

are living of the land. Otherwise we will end up with the same procent of

broken marriages and something like 25% of children having a chance to live

together with both parents (or maybe even less). That's the reality of

living in a demoniac society.

Ys. Sraddha dd

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On 26 Nov 1999, Sraddha dd wrote:

 

[...]

 

>Otherwise we will end up with the same procent of

>broken marriages and something like 25% of children having a chance to >live

together with both parents (or maybe even less). That's the reality >of living

in a demoniac society.

> Ys. Sraddha dd

 

Nice points, Mataji. That was like a soothing Vaikuntha breeze for me.

 

--gkdas

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On 26 Nov 1999, Sraddha dd wrote:

 

 

>

> I am actually tired of this men and women business.

 

 

 

Now that is truely a healthy by product of advancement in Krsna consciousness!

 

Family life was troublesome no matter how it is approached -- I mean it would

be difficult to claim that the Pandava's enjoyed a peaceful, happy family

life, like that.

 

To me this over-infatuation with India vs Non-India is a bit silly. No matter

what culture you to, if your self-centered and immature, it just

ain't gonna happen.

 

ys,

 

Sthita

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On 26 Nov 1999, Sraddha dd wrote:

 

 

>

> I am actually tired of this men and women business.

 

 

 

Now that is truely a healthy by product of advancement in Krsna consciousness!

 

Family life was troublesome no matter how it is approached -- I mean it would

be difficult to claim that the Pandava's enjoyed a peaceful, happy family

life, like that.

 

To me this over-infatuation with India vs Non-India is a bit silly. No matter

what culture you to, if your self-centered and immature, it just

ain't gonna happen.

 

ys,

 

Sthita

[Guest guest]

On 26 Nov 1999, Guru-Krsna das wrote:

 

> On 26 Nov 1999, Sraddha dd wrote:

>

> [...]

>

> >Otherwise we will end up with the same procent of

> >broken marriages and something like 25% of children having a chance to

>live together with both parents (or maybe even less). That's the reality >of

living in a demoniac society.

> > Ys. Sraddha dd

>

> Nice points, Mataji. That was like a soothing Vaikuntha breeze for me.

>

> --gkdas

 

 

 

I know I must be missing something really escoteric here, but I don't recall

that I joined a spiritual institution with the aim of enjoying nuclear family

life. I guess we generally find what we are looking for.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

..

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On 26 Nov 1999, Guru-Krsna das wrote:

 

> On 26 Nov 1999, Sraddha dd wrote:

>

> [...]

>

> >Otherwise we will end up with the same procent of

> >broken marriages and something like 25% of children having a chance to

>live together with both parents (or maybe even less). That's the reality >of

living in a demoniac society.

> > Ys. Sraddha dd

>

> Nice points, Mataji. That was like a soothing Vaikuntha breeze for me.

>

> --gkdas

 

 

 

I know I must be missing something really escoteric here, but I don't recall

that I joined a spiritual institution with the aim of enjoying nuclear family

life. I guess we generally find what we are looking for.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

..

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On 26 Nov 1999, Sthita-dhi-muni Dasa wrote:

 

> On 26 Nov 1999, Guru-Krsna das wrote:

 

> > Nice points, Mataji. That was like a soothing Vaikuntha breeze for me.

> >

> > --gkdas

 

> I know I must be missing something really escoteric here,

 

I think so.

 

>but I don't recall that I joined a spiritual institution with the aim of

>enjoying nuclear family life.

 

That wasn't Mataji's thesis, either, was it?

 

>I guess we generally find what we are looking for.

 

Sometimes even when it's not there

 

--gkd

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On 26 Nov 1999, Sthita-dhi-muni Dasa wrote:

 

> On 26 Nov 1999, Guru-Krsna das wrote:

 

> > Nice points, Mataji. That was like a soothing Vaikuntha breeze for me.

> >

> > --gkdas

 

> I know I must be missing something really escoteric here,

 

I think so.

 

>but I don't recall that I joined a spiritual institution with the aim of

>enjoying nuclear family life.

 

That wasn't Mataji's thesis, either, was it?

 

>I guess we generally find what we are looking for.

 

Sometimes even when it's not there

 

--gkd

[Guest guest]

On 26 Nov 1999, Sthita-dhi-muni Dasa wrote:

 

 

> > Nice points, Mataji. That was like a soothing Vaikuntha breeze for > >me.

--gkdas

 

> I know I must be missing something really escoteric here,

 

Apparently so.

 

>but I don't recall that I joined a spiritual institution with the aim of

>enjoying nuclear family life.

 

That wasn't her thesis, though, was it?

 

>I guess we generally find what we are looking for.

 

And sometimes we "find" what's not even there

 

--gkd

[Guest guest]

On 26 Nov 1999, Sthita-dhi-muni Dasa wrote:

 

 

> > Nice points, Mataji. That was like a soothing Vaikuntha breeze for > >me.

--gkdas

 

> I know I must be missing something really escoteric here,

 

Apparently so.

 

>but I don't recall that I joined a spiritual institution with the aim of

>enjoying nuclear family life.

 

That wasn't her thesis, though, was it?

 

>I guess we generally find what we are looking for.

 

And sometimes we "find" what's not even there

 

--gkd

[Guest guest]

On 27 Nov 1999, Guru-Krsna das wrote:

 

 

>

> >but I don't recall that I joined a spiritual institution with the aim of

enjoying nuclear family life.

>

> That wasn't her thesis, though, was it?

>

 

 

Probably not, but it almost appears as if there's a bit of preoccupation with

certain parties playing a role so that we can have a family life that sends us

BTG. Sure, that can help some, maybe.

[Guest guest]

On 27 Nov 1999, Guru-Krsna das wrote:

 

 

>

> >but I don't recall that I joined a spiritual institution with the aim of

enjoying nuclear family life.

>

> That wasn't her thesis, though, was it?

>

 

 

Probably not, but it almost appears as if there's a bit of preoccupation with

certain parties playing a role so that we can have a family life that sends us

BTG. Sure, that can help some, maybe.

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At 10:18 PM +0100 11/26/99, COM: Sraddha (dd) HKS (Gothenburg - S) wrote:

 

> Instead of wasting our time on this useless discussions, like who beated

>whom and why, it is better if we all try to meditate how to make those

>varnasrama villages Srila Prabhupada wanted. If we want to have the family

>structure then we will have to make that kind of society were living in the

>families is normal way of living. That is agricultural structure were people

>are living of the land. Otherwise we will end up with the same procent of

>broken marriages and something like 25% of children having a chance to live

>together with both parents (or maybe even less). That's the reality of

>living in a demoniac society.

> Ys. Sraddha dd

 

Very good point!

 

YS, Sita dd

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On 26 Nov 1999, Sthita-dhi-muni Dasa wrote:

 

 

>>>Otherwise we will end up with the same procent of broken marriages and

>>>something like 25% of children having a chance to live together with

>>>both parents (or maybe even less). That's the reality of

>>>living in a demoniac society.

>>>Ys. Sraddha dd

> >

> > Nice points, Mataji. That was like a soothing Vaikuntha breeze for me.

> > --gkdas

 

 

> but I don't recall that I joined a spiritual institution with the aim > of

enjoying nuclear family life.

 

Nevertheless:

 

"We should understand the necesssity for maintaining family life in human

society and should thus abolish this artificial law known as divorce." (SB

4.23.25P)

 

--gkd

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On 27 Nov 1999, Guru-Krsna das wrote:

 

 

>

> Nevertheless:

>

> "We should understand the necesssity for maintaining family life in human

society and should thus abolish this artificial law known as divorce." (SB

> 4.23.25P)

>

> --gkd

 

 

Sounds like a good plan, as long as it is purused with a healthy perspective

as to what our real goal is -- chant Hare Krsna and engage in devotional

service. Seems all too often these short quotes are taken out of context with

Srila Prabhupada's essential purpose as a representative of Lord Caitanya

mission.

 

ys,

 

Sthita-dhi

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On 28 Nov 1999, Sthita-dhi-muni Dasa wrote:

 

> On 27 Nov 1999, Guru-Krsna das wrote:

> >

> > Nevertheless:

> >

> > "We should understand the necesssity for maintaining family life in >

>human society and should thus abolish this artificial law known as >

>divorce." (SB 4.23.25P)

> >

> > --gkd

 

> Sounds like a good plan, as long as it is purused with a healthy >

perspective as to what our real goal is -- chant Hare Krsna and engage > in

devotional service. Seems all too often these short quotes are taken > out of

context with Srila Prabhupada's essential purpose as a > > >representative of

Lord Caitanya mission.

>

> ys,

> Sthita-dhi

 

Indeed. And had I not been weary at the fag end of the day, I would have

included the next and (last) sentence of that Purport:

 

"The husband and wife should live in Krsna consciousness and follow in the fo