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Reference: Text COM:2823009 by Isvara (das) GGS (Vrindavana - IN)

 

> Certainly your portrayer of India is correct, and I am definitely not

> blind to it. But as Canakya Pandita pointed out that an intelligent person

> must be able to find gold in a pile of mud, just as a poor man marrying a

> girl from a rich family.

 

As far as I know, Srila Prabhupada left India to preach in the west, where

he was able to make considerble progress making devotees. He then returned

to India with those devotees to preach to the Indians. He said on different

occasions that we should make America KC and the whole world will follow. He

seemed to think that was possible, why don't we?

 

Anyone will definitely agree that there is no

> better place to be Krishna conscious in the world than India, especially

> in the holy places like Vrindavana and Mayapura. I will personally not

> stay for one day in India if I have to take into consideration what is

> going in on in the present day Indian towns and cities.

 

I spend a lot of time in Mumbai, preaching from the Juhu Temple, it's a good

place to preach. Srila Prabhupada went to a lot of trouble to establish this

temple, because he new the importance of preaching to influential people.

The most educated and influential are to be found in the cities not the

villages.

 

But just to

> recount to you the beauty part of Indians, I once rode a train from

> Calcutta to Delhi with few devotees, and we decided to hold kirtan. We

> started kirtan, and everybody all over the train compartment were very

> happily taking part giving up their regular chais for the moment. The

> whole episode culminated in a non-stop preaching for hours. And this was a

> good Rajdhani trains. Such and experience is unthinkable in the West.

 

Did you ever try in the west? You should see Indradymna Maharaja's kirtan

festivals in Poland, and Tribhuvanath's festivals in Africa, they are

ecstatic, with plenty of public participation (thousands join in). it's easy

to close our mind and eyes and imagine whatever we like. When a preacher

goes out boldly the way Srila Prabhupada showed us, then success can be

anywhere. KC is not limited by any boundaries of this country or that. Yes

India is somewhat better than most places, but it is in rapid decline.

 

> Being a devotee of the Lord is quite difficult in the West as you have to

> constantly deal with the mind, environments and all sorts of unimaginable

> disturbances.

 

You trying to convince me that people in India (devotees) don't have trouble

with their minds? I'm being constantly requested to help Indian devotees go

to the west. What to speak of counseling disturbed minds, full of politics,

wrong understanding of philosophy and complaints against managers etc. I

also find a lot of deviousness and trickery used for individuals to get

their own way (almost landed me in trouble on occasions).

 

But here in India, the only struggle is coping with the

> unattainment of the desired goal of life, love of Godhead, in speedier

> manner, at least I am speaking for a serious devotee.

 

I can see that you are a serious devotee, but there are equally serious

devotees all over the world who want the same goal. It's not so much where

you are, but how your consciousness is. Do you think that there is no Maya

in the Dhama?

 

> Let's try to be more inward in our thinking and see more about the beauty

> that is Vedic culture in India.

 

We also shouldn't have our mind and eyes closed to reality. I agree in many

parts of India the culture is wonderful and we can learn a lot from the

people. But we also must be careful to see how it is connected to the way

that Srila Prabhupada taught us. If in doubt throw it out. Don't just

blindly accept anything and everything as Vedic culture. Remember it was the

smartas' that tried to destroy Mahaprabhu's movement, both when he was

present and later by the Galta Brahmins. India has undergone many changes

since pure Vedic times, and will probably undergo many more before too long.

 

There must be reason why Krishna made all

> His appearances in India. If her people are not more closer to Krishna,

> why would He made unnecessary effort to appear there.

 

Yes the people are closer, but they are also trying to get away. India is

full of different philosophies and ideas about religion. We have to also

convince them that Lord Caitanya is the actual incarnation of God and not

this or that baba. Still everyone want's to become God by some cheap

process. The Gaudiya predecessor Acaraya's fought against this tendency to

cheapen religion and give wrong interpretations of Bhagavad-gita for some

ulterior purpose.

 

Ys, Mkd

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"COM: Janesvara (das) ACBSP (Syracuse - USA)" wrote:

 

> [Text 2824067 from COM]

>

> > There must be reason why Krishna made all

> > His appearances in India.

>

> > Isvara dasa.

>

> "It is not a fact that the Lord appears only on Indian soil. He can advent

> Himself anywhere and everywhere, and whenever He desires to appear." Bg 4.7

 

Jaya Janesvara! In fact, in His incarnation for this age, He is incarnating on

every continent in the form of His Holy Name!

 

your servant,

 

Hare Krsna devi **dasi**