Guest guest Posted December 6, 1999 Report Share Posted December 6, 1999 > >Great, so whom should the ladies mary... Great question! Losers who can't "make it"? Non-devotees? Each other? This seems like a clear example of a quote that was never supposed to be in the lawbooks for the next 10K years. Does anyone know anything about the circumstance under which Prabhupada gave that direction to Giriraja Swami? Otherwise we should ask Maharaja. Ys, Madhusudani dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 1999 Report Share Posted December 6, 1999 >[Text 2835626 from COM] > > > > > > Srila Prabhupada told HH Giriraja Swami that your duty as a manager > > > > > in Bombay is to see that all the brahmacaries remain brahmacaries > > > > > and all ladies get married. > >In my opinion the quote is being misunderstood. When Srila Prabhupada says >brahmacaris should remain brahmacaris it must be taken in accordance with >Prabhupada's mission to promote the divine varnasrama-dharma system created >by the Lord Himself. Brahmacaris must remain celebate; no sex in mind or >body. No profit, distinction or adoration. No overeating. No prajalpa. No >this, no that. So many don'ts. When they ARE brahmacaris, from say age 5-16, >these varnasrama principles must be followed. Thank you for that clarification, Janesvara Prabhu. It makes perfect sense. It's hard to fathom how Prabhupada could have expected all men to remain lifelong celibates and all women to marry congregational devotees. For 99% of male devotees, brahmacari is but *one* stage in life. Becoming a grhasta is not a fall down, it's simply the *next* stage. Ys, Madhusudani dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 1999 Report Share Posted December 6, 1999 > > > Srila Prabhupada told HH Giriraja Swami that your duty as a manager in > > > Bombay is to see that all the brahmacaries remain brahmacaries and all > > > ladies get married. > > > > Great, so whom should the ladies mary... > > The male congregation devotees. The temple manager should plan the > congregational preaching in such a nice manner that the unmarried ladies > who become devotees from the congregation or even from other congregations > can find qualified devotee husbands from the congregation itself so that > there is no pressure on the brahmacaries. The pressure so-called brahmacaris feel is not from the ledies, but their own pressure. Otherwise, they wouldn't go to the prostitutes, have homosexual relationships or masturbate.( Please forgive me for this word, but this is what is going on. I am really sorry to have to write this.) This is going-on in ISKCON brahmacari ashramas on the daily basis (specificaly in India). Mayapur male beings (the souls in the orrange clothes) are the most disturbed men I have ever seen in my life. I don't say that all the brahmacaris are like that, but many are. All glories to those who are distributing SP books and are able to keep their vows, but we also have to accept the truth. Yes, I agree that brahmacaris should stay brahmacaris, but you have to know also that only 1%, or maybe even less, of those who are wearing orrange are really brahmacaris. < If there are no unmarried devotee men in the congregation then the ladies who obviously want devotee > husbands see the temple brahmacaries as their only hope. If the marriages > are fixed within the congregation itself then the brahmacaries are free to > concentrate on selling Prabhupada's books. > Selling books for how long? And then when they are not able to sell books anymore, what happens then? When they want to get married and all the women are married to the congregational members, and the temple managment tells them that they can't maintain them any longer, specificaly if they want to get married, what happens then? What happens when after 10 or 15 years of book distribution they can't do it anymore, they have no any income, all the money they collected went for maintaining the buildings (in which they can't live anymore, because now they have to pay if they want to use them) and some of the money went for the sannyasis who made their own houses and many of them meanwhile got married. The temple managers also got married, (they are not fools, they understood what is going on), despite of preaching to poor brahmacaris that perfection of life is pure renounciation and book distribution. And when TP's get married they don't get married to a congregational member, they choose the best one they can get. PRABHU YOU ARE GREEN! Lets see what you are going to tell us in 10 years. Ys. Sraddha dd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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