A/ Women in leading positions.

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> > Sraddha dd wrote:

> > > Woman in leading position is not dangerous. This statement is an

> > > insult

> > to

> > > my beloved Vrinda devi who is the main manager in the spiritual

world.

> > She

> > > is managing all the pastimes of Radha and Krishna.

> >

> > Mataji:

> > HARE KRSNA ! ! ! Pamho, agtSP!

> > How can you consider compare ordinary women with Vrnda devi and Srimati

> > Radharani?

>

> I didn't compare them, I just gave an example. From this example we

can

> see that it is a part of the female nature to manage.

 

Hare Krsna:

pamho, agtSP

 

You DID compare them you state: "...This statement is an

> > > insult

> > to

> > > my beloved Vrinda devi "

 

If I am wrong please help me to understand what did you mean please

 

> > yes, I agree with you in this, but we are specially speaking of

managing

> > position for women as GBC or Guru.

> > >

> I don't know what you are speaking about, because I am not on that

> conference, I just comment on what is showing up on the VA conference.

 

If you don't know what I am speaking about how can you say all what you

said!

First try to know what we are talking about, and then your comments are

wellcome.

 

> > So you agree that women in leading position within our Society must not

be

> > a fact.

>

> I don't. I am saying that sannyasis in a managment position must not be

a

> fact. Sannyasis as spiritual leaders, yes. But, sannyasis as managers of

> society, NO! Married men and women in managment positions, yes. Some of

the

> renounciets sometimes, yes. But male dominated society with renounciets

> managing society, mixing with women, not being able to take care of women

> and children needs, NO!

 

Srila Prabhupada our Founder-Acarya was a Sannyasi, he manage our society

are you meaning a NO for Srila Prabhupada?

>

> Puting ladies in managment position is not going to be problem of

society.

> In the west many ladies are already managing.

 

Please can you give practical examples, are you still speaking of ladies

within ISKCON?

If not I am not interest on those examples.

 

Ladies are not devils, they

> have good caracteristics.

 

of course that vaisnavis aren't devil, nobody insinued that.

 

There are many ladies who are spiritually advanced

> and can help in managing society.

 

One thing is to help their husbands and another is to do it by their own.

 

> Love is always spiritual, there is nothing like material love, either

is

> love or isn't love. Love is within us and that is our nature, we don't

> receive it from anyone. Love is unconditional, love is freedom, love is

> unlimited. We have to understand the nature of love, our own nature and

> Krishnas nature in order to experience it. The thing that you are

speaking

> about are the three killers of love: neediness (possessivness),

expectations

> (desire to control) and jealousy (envy). When this things are present in

a

> relationship, love doesn't apear.

 

Good we fully agree on this point.

 

Material world is material

> just so long we see things separated from Krishna. When we realise that

> everything is within Krishna, connected to Him, that we are His energy,

and

> of the same nature, then we can start to experience spirituality and

love.

 

Did you realize that or you just speak what books teach us? Apart from

Srila Prabhupada can you please name me 10 devotees who had realize that

and are alive? Being sincere, that is the perfection of life, but we are

still very far away from that, and ISKCON nowadays is the evidence of how

FAR away we are from that.

> > >

> Yes, keep distance as far as possible. It is not ladies business to

help

> sannyasis fulfilling their duties, it is ladies duties to help their

> husbands fulfill their duties. You get the point?

 

yes, I get the point, that was the point, but we can see many ladies

helping sannyasis... as normal (but is very un-normal)

 

> It is not sannyasis duty to protect the ladies,

 

but we see sannyasis protecting ladies, as normal (but is very un-normal)

 

it is ledies husbands duty

> or managment duty, specificaly ksatriyas (who are supposed to be married)

to

> see that the ladies are protected.

 

right. where are those ksatriyas? I didn't find even one in my zone, yet.

 

> >

> > Again, mataji. We have to be very carefull in intending to obtain

> > leadership services, like TP, GBC, or Guru

> >

> I am not intending anything. If a man is qualified he can do it, if a

> woman is qualified she can do it.

 

yes, woman can do it ONLY as a service to help her husband managing

service, other way she cann't. Good if you are not intending but many women

within ISKCON yes are intending it.

 

ys, Sridhari devi dasi