Guest guest Posted December 12, 1999 Report Share Posted December 12, 1999 Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. Age Body Occupation Training Spiritual experiences Cultural circumstances Personal history Different services performed Mercy recieved Sacrifices Quality of chanting Fall downs Future Maybe the prostitute became a vaisnava maybe I should be careful when judging others while simultaniously trying to improve my self Or: dont criticize your neighbour before you have walked a mile in his shoes. A society will also have to look at all the different circumstances and the consequences of past actions in order to improve it self. And they do that. Are we studying our history seriously, taking all the above things into consideration? Do we have statistics proving our statements, when we say that most marriages break because of this and that, or that most devotees leave or join because of this or that? Have we systematically evaluated our progress/failures on different levels as individuals and as a society during the past 30 years? If not maybe we should get started. Of course that would demand truthfulness and cooperation instead of fighting and word-jugglery. But the whole matter might be a lot more complex than we think.(Remembering the story of the blind men each trying to describe the elephant according to their own conception) Your servant Gunamani d.d. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 1999 Report Share Posted December 12, 1999 At 14:58 +0100 12/12/1999, COM: Gunamani (dd) ARD (Arhus - DK) wrote: > > Do we have statistics proving our statements, when we say that most >marriages break because of this and that, or that most devotees leave or >join because of this or that? > > Have we systematically evaluated our progress/failures on different levels >as individuals and as a society during the past 30 years? Excellent points. Thank you. Such an apporach would have to mean studying the issues out of a genuine desire to know the truth - not to prove some agenda. The closest example I can find of what you're suggesting is Burke Rochford's Centennial survey of the ISKCON membership. He presented the results to the GBC about a year and a half ago, but it seems like it's just collecting dust on some shelf. Sadly, there has been virtually no discussion of its findings. Kundali just wrote an article about its results (after corresponding with Burke). I'll post it here in case it stimulates some thought. We also have a copy of the survey summary (not the full report) on Chakra and Saunaka Rsi published the same summary in the ICJ. Ys, Madhusudani dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 1999 Report Share Posted December 12, 1999 At 14:58 +0100 12/12/1999, COM: Gunamani (dd) ARD (Arhus - DK) wrote: > > Do we have statistics proving our statements, when we say that most >marriages break because of this and that, or that most devotees leave or >join because of this or that? > > Have we systematically evaluated our progress/failures on different levels >as individuals and as a society during the past 30 years? Excellent points. Thank you. Such an apporach would have to mean studying the issues out of a genuine desire to know the truth - not to prove some agenda. The closest example I can find of what you're suggesting is Burke Rochford's Centennial survey of the ISKCON membership. He presented the results to the GBC about a year and a half ago, but it seems like it's just collecting dust on some shelf. Sadly, there has been virtually no discussion of its findings. Kundali just wrote an article about its results (after corresponding with Burke). I'll post it here in case it stimulates some thought. We also have a copy of the survey summary (not the full report) on Chakra and Saunaka Rsi published the same summary in the ICJ. Ys, Madhusudani dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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