Guest guest Posted December 19, 1999 Report Share Posted December 19, 1999 At 13:55 -0500 12/19/1999, COM: Guru-Krsna (das) HDG (Alachua, FL - USA) wrote: >Now we need not wonder how the psychiatrists, sociologist, >scholars, etc. will diagnose someone who desires to become the *dog* of >another person!--or do we? There are so many schools of thought within psychology and sociology, that you could probably find quotes to support pretty much any point you wanted to make there too. Ys, Madhusudani dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 1999 Report Share Posted December 20, 1999 > >> But there's a nagging little example or two which come directly from our >> sastra Srimad-Bhagavatam. Prahada Maharaja, a mahajana, was preaching to >> his classmates *not* to waste time in play. Narada Muni tells that as boy >> he did not waste time in sports. Pariksit Maharaja is described similarly. >> These are examples to be glorified, not condemned. Do you agree? >At least you are sailing away from that "zombi" argument "It was not instructed by >Prabhupada". Oh, don't relax yet, prabhu. Whatever the particular item might happen to be, for me it *does* matter if something was instructed or prohibited by Srila Prabhupada. Imperfect as I certainly am in my ability to follow a particular order or prohibition, nevertheless it will make a difference in how I approach the matter. So I guess that means I'm still a zombie, no? >You seem to got that deeper insights of how to be executing a pure life of a >mahabhagavata style that none else have ever heard about here. You give me much more credit than I'm due. I have no realizations of anything of value and am simply like a parrot repeating some words that I've heard or read from pure devotees. But I don't know what else to do with my life! >Can you simply understand that people are not mahabhagavatas, and that some will >still like to get out on a field sometimes and kick a stupid ball with a stupid >foot? Well, that's kind of how I was thinking, but I didn't feel right to just come out and say it that way, you know >Really, who does bother what you have read in Srimad bhagavatam how Narada Muni has >never kicked a ball in his life. That's a good point, prabhu. You're right to say it doesn't matter whether anyone cares about what we hear and chant from Srimad-Bhagavatam. We should simply absorb ourselves in the process of *krsna-katha* whether others appreciate it or not. I definitely agree with you on that. >Too many gurus in ISCKON have deserted and left their dogs tooling painfully. To >become a *dog* of a guru in ISCKON may be at the moment for many the >most stupid thing to do (again) in life. Here's where we *really* disagree! We always have Srila Prabhupada as our perfect siksa-guru. We cannot go wrong by becoming his dog. >Please, stop rubbing our noses with "our puny independence" and "guru's dog" >demagogy. Too many have already got mentally and emotionally screwed up with it. We all have to get tough and tolerate so much pain in this material life, as you surely know. But if we take full shelter of Srila Prabhupada, he definitely helps us to cope. I say that from my personal experience (so no one needs bother to challenge me for that statement). >But, what this "dog of the guru" has anyway to do with our sanity to find it our >for ourselves wether "to kick a damn ball or not to kick a damn ball"? I don't know, prabhu. Some questions can be answered only by Krsna Himself (Peace, love, and Hare Krsna!) ys, gkdas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 1999 Report Share Posted December 20, 1999 Oh, I really enjoyed this text. But it's getting hard to not be misunderstood isn't it? Too bad many of our devotees are so cranked-up with finding fault in every direction that they can't take a few of Srila Prabhupada's words without feeling they are under personal attack. Your servant, Sri Rama das [srirama (AT) bbt (DOT) se], or [srirama (AT) jps (DOT) net] < PLEASE NOTE THIS NEW EMAIL ADDRESS Guru-Krsna.HDG (AT) bbt (DOT) se [Guru-Krsna.HDG (AT) bbt (DOT) se] Saturday, December 18, 1999 1:40 PM COM: DMW (Dharma of Men and Women); COM: India (Continental Committee) Open (Forum); COM: Varnasrama development; COM: (International) Women's Ministry; COM: Madhusudani Radha (dd) JPS (Mill Valley - USA) Enzombied souls [Text 2868647 from COM] On 18 Dec 1999, Prema Bhakti wrote: > > Did he ever instruct them not to? > > Your question is meant for zombies, that's the point. That's right. The zombie mentality thinks that the answer to every ridiculous question has to be found in the sastra: "Prabhu, did Prabhupada ever tell us not to waste time in useless debates on COM?" "No way, prabhu; COM didn't even exist during Srila Prabhupada's time." "So he never said we couldn't. Great! That means we can. And if anyone tries to preach otherwise, I'll challenge him to ***show me one quote*** where Srila Prabhupada said we couldn't!" > If a zombi attempts to do something on his own, then you surprise > him with "have you ever been instructed to do so, my dear zombi?". "The bewildered zombie-like embodied soul thinks himself the independent doer of activities which are in actuality carried out by the material energy." (Bg 3.27) Purport ....The zombie-conditioned soul has no knowledge that ultimately he is under the control of Krsna. The zombie in false ego takes all credit for doing everything independently, and that is the symptom of his zombiness. He does not know that this gross and subtle enzombiment is the creation of material nature, under the order of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and as such his zombie motivated activities should be engaged in the service of Krsna, in Krsna consciousness. The zombie forgets that the Supreme Personality of Godhead is known as Hrsikesa, or the master of the senses of the material body, for due to his long misue of his zombie-like senses in zombie sense gratification, he has practically become a zombie--which makes him forget his eternal relationship with Krsna and instead think that he is a very intelligent and free-thinking spirit, although always a fully controlled zombie. > And then a zombi gets caught up, starts scratching his head, not > finding the "right" *answer*, spinning around aimlessly not knowing > what really to do next... till the programer redirects him > to somewhere that a zombi can be able to identifiy and > recognize as an already given instruction what to do. That's why all zombies are advised to surrender their zombie-like false independence and simply become the zombie of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. At least Krsna's pure zombies go to Him and never have to return to zombie-loka again. > How long we'll be insisting in creating a mental wracks through > such similar odd zombi programs? Are you a deprogrammer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 1999 Report Share Posted December 20, 1999 > Oh, I really enjoyed this text. But it's getting hard to not be > misunderstood isn't it? Too bad many of our devotees are so cranked-up > with finding fault in every direction that they can't take a few of Srila > Prabhupada's words without feeling they are under personal attack. Too bad many of our devotees are so cranked-up with finding fault in every direction that they can't present a few of Srila Prabhupada's words without distorting them and trying to create the feeling of "you_are_not_following_Acarya's_instructions" onto others. (see how easy it is to say something of a kind, based simply on our own little corners of individual perceptions) You know, somebody likes to kick a ball every now and then, and it is immediately a sinful thing, prohibited activity, against Acarya's instruction, a form of gambling... What a silliness! Yes, one got to be either a zombi to let that mush into his head, or be suffering from some post-child traumas of bad sporting-hour experiences in a primary school. You know, kids loughed on you for your two "left" legs, like that... Otherwise, personally, I am really quite away from feeling being under "personal attack" with somebody's cyber space silly ideas about what my eventual kicking a ball would mean. Can't careless. But, see, I also like to enjoy some texts; I like to call publicly silly ideas -- silly. But as you sad it, "It's getting hard to not be misunderstood isn't it?" (meaning nothning personal, to say it so not to get ourselves into further misunderstandings, Srirama Prabhu. - Mahanidhi das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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