The so-called Sports (including soccer) are GAMBLING

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>

> Not from the perspective that I was putting forth, which is this: Even a

> child who may not even be strong enough to hold a rifle can nevertheless

> squeeze the trigger. Now how significant is that in terms of the fighting

> spirit and fitness required of a warrior?

 

Have you ever been drafted into army? Or at least, have you ever

seen on TV what kind of fitness training and rigorous drill the

marines have to undergo? Police officers also. Yes, "squeezing

the trigger" is something what even a child or some invalid could

do but no sane officer would be happy to have these as his fighting

unit. I spent 1.5 years in army. Could tell you from the first hand

how totally useless you can be without good fighting spirit and

fitness, in spite of your "strength" to hold a rifle. A dead piece

of meat, not more than that.

 

 

- Mahanidhi das

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On 22 Dec, 99, 08:39 -0500, Madhava Gosh Dasa wrote:

>> Agreed, prabhu. My point was that in actual battle, the ability to squeeze a

 

>> trigger is quite an insufficient qualification.

 

>From that I can easily surmise taht you have never been in an actual

battle. From >the individual perspective, the ability to pull a trigger in

battle has a great deal >of significance.

 

Not from the perspective that I was putting forth, which is this: Even a

child who may not even be strong enough to hold a rifle can nevertheless

squeeze the trigger. Now how significant is that in terms of the fighting

spirit and fitness required of a warrior?

 

>> Maybe the Sanskrit scholars can uncover some evidence.(?) When you say "We

>> know Krsna did," what exactly do you refer to, please?

>>

>The boys played at catching ball with fruits such as bael and amalaka. They

played >blindman's buff, challenging and touching one another. Sometimes

they imitated the >forest deer and various kinds of birds. They joked with

one another by imitating >croaking frogs, and they enjoyed swinging

underneath the trees. Sometimes they would >play like a king and his

subjects amongst themselves. In this way, Balarama and >Krsna, along with

all Their friends, played all kinds of sports and enjoyed the >soothing

atmosphere of Vrndavana, full of rivers, lakes, rivulets, fine trees and

>excellent gardens filled with fruits and flowers.

>>> Ref. VedaBase => KB 18: Killing the Demon Pralambasura

 

Oh, now I understand. The *above* was what you were referring to when you

said that Krsna also played "competitive sports" [below].

 

> >Well, we can't hunt deer year round as he did. How can you be so sure he

didn't

> >play competitive sports? We know Krsna did, and they were contemporaries.

> >

 

Somehow I don't quite see the connection between organized, competitive

sports and the childhood play of Krsna and the gopas. But, no matter--I have

unlimited more to learn about Krsna's wonderful creation.

 

>> So, in the mood of establishing vad, I was offering that we might do

better to

>> try to apply Srila Prabhhupada's instructions to train kstatriyas--ksatriyas

 

>> trained to fight and kill.

 

>Again, what is your qualification ito have an opinion n the matter of what

it will

>take to train ksatriyas? In fact, there is quite of lack of detail as to

how to

>specifically do this. Part of training is learning how to operate in units

>(teanwork), how to expend physical energy in a competitive environment for

extended >periods of time, all of which are done in a soccer game. Your

general statement >about training ksatriyas has nothing to do with the

merits of a specific

>training technique.

 

But my general statement included the necessary ingredient "fight and kill,"

which was a direct instruction by Srila Prabhhupada, was it not? And you

replied above: "Part of training..." And I grant that as true, but can we

say that our mighty-legged soccer players have been thoroughly trained and

certified to "fight and kill"? Or, is the standard military training in the

armed forces simply full-time practice of soccer skills/games? I mean, we

know that in the military they stage "war games." Why don't they just call

it "soccer games"?

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On 22 Dec, 99, 08:39 -0500, Madhava Gosh Dasa wrote:

>> Agreed, prabhu. My point was that in actual battle, the ability to squeeze a

 

>> trigger is quite an insufficient qualification.

 

>From that I can easily surmise taht you have never been in an actual

battle. From >the individual perspective, the ability to pull a trigger in

battle has a great deal >of significance.

 

Not from the perspective that I was putting forth, which is this: Even a

child who may not even be strong enough to hold a rifle can nevertheless

squeeze the trigger. Now how significant is that in terms of the fighting

spirit and fitness required of a warrior?

 

>> Maybe the Sanskrit scholars can uncover some evidence.(?) When you say "We

>> know Krsna did," what exactly do you refer to, please?

>>

>The boys played at catching ball with fruits such as bael and amalaka. They

played >blindman's buff, challenging and touching one another. Sometimes

they imitated the >forest deer and various kinds of birds. They joked with

one another by imitating >croaking frogs, and they enjoyed swinging

underneath the trees. Sometimes they would >play like a king and his

subjects amongst themselves. In this way, Balarama and >Krsna, along with

all Their friends, played all kinds of sports and enjoyed the >soothing

atmosphere of Vrndavana, full of rivers, lakes, rivulets, fine trees and

>excellent gardens filled with fruits and flowers.

>>> Ref. VedaBase => KB 18: Killing the Demon Pralambasura

 

Oh, now I understand. The *above* was what you were referring to when you

said that Krsna also played "competitive sports" [below].

 

> >Well, we can't hunt deer year round as he did. How can you be so sure he

didn't

> >play competitive sports? We know Krsna did, and they were contemporaries.

> >

 

Somehow I don't quite see the connection between organized, competitive

sports and the childhood play of Krsna and the gopas. But, no matter--I have

unlimited more to learn about Krsna's wonderful creation.

 

>> So, in the mood of establishing vad, I was offering that we might do

better to

>> try to apply Srila Prabhhupada's instructions to train kstatriyas--ksatriyas

 

>> trained to fight and kill.

 

>Again, what is your qualification ito have an opinion n the matter of what

it will

>take to train ksatriyas? In fact, there is quite of lack of detail as to

how to

>specifically do this. Part of training is learning how to operate in units

>(teanwork), how to expend physical energy in a competitive environment for

extended >periods of time, all of which are done in a soccer game. Your

general statement >about training ksatriyas has nothing to do with the

merits of a specific

>training technique.

 

But my general statement included the necessary ingredient "fight and kill,"

which was a direct instruction by Srila Prabhhupada, was it not? And you

replied above: "Part of training..." And I grant that as true, but can we

say that our mighty-legged soccer players have been thoroughly trained and

certified to "fight and kill"? Or, is the standard military training in the

armed forces simply full-time practice of soccer skills/games? I mean, we

know that in the military they stage "war games." Why don't they just call

it "soccer games"?

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>

>

> Not from the perspective that I was putting forth, which is this: Even a

> child who may not even be strong enough to hold a rifle can nevertheless

> squeeze the trigger. Now how significant is that in terms of the fighting

> spirit and fitness required of a warrior?

>

 

And how would we develop fighing spirit and fitness? Soccer, of course. You

need

to develop competitive spirit, teamwork, and fitness to be sucessful. Plus

be

able to squeeze a trigger with accuracy .

 

 

> But my general statement included the necessary ingredient "fight and kill,"

> which was a direct instruction by Srila Prabhhupada, was it not? And you

> replied above: "Part of training..." And I grant that as true, but can we

> say that our mighty-legged soccer players have been thoroughly trained and

> certified to "fight and kill"? Or, is the standard military training in the

> armed forces simply full-time practice of soccer skills/games? I mean, we

> know that in the military they stage "war games." Why don't they just call

> it "soccer games"?

 

You have made a study of military science? Again, what is the basis for you

even

having an opinion?

 

If we take the contemporary military as the example, we see that they also

don't

teach martial arts, so your own suggestion is invalidated. Incidentally, the

US

military does organize soccer teams and has competitive tournaments,

participation

voluntary, so it is a technique used by the modern military to inspire

soldiers

to keep fit and in competitive spirit.

 

 

Incidentally, It Can't Be Thought Unless Srila Prabhupada Said itananda

prabhu,

I recently spoke with a graduate of Srila Prabhupada's gurukula, who got the

full

range of nectar as an alumnus of Dallas, Vrindaban, and NV gurukulas. He

has an

aversion to playing soccer, because, tah dah, it was the only game they were

allowed to play in Vrindavan gurukula, so they played it all the time. The

reason they weren't allowed to play other games, is because soccer was the

only

game authorised by, who else did you think this would be leading up to, Srila

Prabhupada himself.

 

So soccer in the gurukula system is directly authorised, at least according to

gurukula lore.

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>

>

> Not from the perspective that I was putting forth, which is this: Even a

> child who may not even be strong enough to hold a rifle can nevertheless

> squeeze the trigger. Now how significant is that in terms of the fighting

> spirit and fitness required of a warrior?

>

 

And how would we develop fighing spirit and fitness? Soccer, of course. You

need

to develop competitive spirit, teamwork, and fitness to be sucessful. Plus

be

able to squeeze a trigger with accuracy .

 

 

> But my general statement included the necessary ingredient "fight and kill,"

> which was a direct instruction by Srila Prabhhupada, was it not? And you

> replied above: "Part of training..." And I grant that as true, but can we

> say that our mighty-legged soccer players have been thoroughly trained and

> certified to "fight and kill"? Or, is the standard military training in the

> armed forces simply full-time practice of soccer skills/games? I mean, we

> know that in the military they stage "war games." Why don't they just call

> it "soccer games"?

 

You have made a study of military science? Again, what is the basis for you

even

having an opinion?

 

If we take the contemporary military as the example, we see that they also

don't

teach martial arts, so your own suggestion is invalidated. Incidentally, the

US

military does organize soccer teams and has competitive tournaments,

participation

voluntary, so it is a technique used by the modern military to inspire

soldiers

to keep fit and in competitive spirit.

 

 

Incidentally, It Can't Be Thought Unless Srila Prabhupada Said itananda

prabhu,

I recently spoke with a graduate of Srila Prabhupada's gurukula, who got the

full

range of nectar as an alumnus of Dallas, Vrindaban, and NV gurukulas. He

has an

aversion to playing soccer, because, tah dah, it was the only game they were

allowed to play in Vrindavan gurukula, so they played it all the time. The

reason they weren't allowed to play other games, is because soccer was the

only

game authorised by, who else did you think this would be leading up to, Srila

Prabhupada himself.

 

So soccer in the gurukula system is directly authorised, at least according to

gurukula lore.

[Guest guest]

On 22 Dec, 99, 08:39 -0500, Madhava Gosh Dasa wrote:

>> Agreed, prabhu. My point was that in actual battle, the ability to squeeze a

 

>> trigger is quite an insufficient qualification.

 

>From that I can easily surmise taht you have never been in an actual

battle. From >the individual perspective, the ability to pull a trigger in

battle has a great deal >of significance.

 

Not from the perspective that I was putting forth, which is this: Even a

child who may not even be strong enough to hold a rifle can nevertheless

squeeze the trigger. Now how significant is that in terms of the fighting

spirit and fitness required of a warrior?

 

>> Maybe the Sanskrit scholars can uncover some evidence.(?) When you say "We

>> know Krsna did," what exactly do you refer to, please?

>>

>The boys played at catching ball with fruits such as bael and amalaka. They

played >blindman's buff, challenging and touching one another. Sometimes

they imitated the >forest deer and various kinds of birds. They joked with

one another by imitating >croaking frogs, and they enjoyed swinging

underneath the trees. Sometimes they would >play like a king and his

subjects amongst themselves. In this way, Balarama and >Krsna, along with

all Their friends, played all kinds of sports and enjoyed the >soothing

atmosphere of Vrndavana, full of rivers, lakes, rivulets, fine trees and

>excellent gardens filled with fruits and flowers.

>>> Ref. VedaBase => KB 18: Killing the Demon Pralambasura

 

Oh, now I understand. The *above* was what you were referring to when you

said that Krsna also played "competitive sports" [below].

 

> >Well, we can't hunt deer year round as he did. How can you be so sure he

didn't

> >play competitive sports? We know Krsna did, and they were contemporaries.

> >

 

Somehow I don't quite see the connection between organized, competitive

sports and the childhood play of Krsna and the gopas. But, no matter--I have

unlimited more to learn about Krsna's wonderful creation.

 

>> So, in the mood of establishing vad, I was offering that we might do

better to

>> try to apply Srila Prabhhupada's instructions to train kstatriyas--ksatriyas

 

>> trained to fight and kill.

 

>Again, what is your qualification ito have an opinion n the matter of what

it will

>take to train ksatriyas? In fact, there is quite of lack of detail as to

how to

>specifically do this. Part of training is learning how to operate in units

>(teanwork), how to expend physical energy in a competitive environment for

extended >periods of time, all of which are done in a soccer game. Your

general statement >about training ksatriyas has nothing to do with the

merits of a specific

>training technique.

 

But my general statement included the necessary ingredient "fight and kill,"

which was a direct instruction by Srila Prabhhupada, was it not? And you

replied above: "Part of training..." And I grant that as true, but can we

say that our mighty-legged soccer players have been thoroughly trained and

certified to "fight and kill"? Or, is the standard military training in the

armed forces simply full-time practice of soccer skills/games? I mean, we

know that in the military they stage "war games." Why don't they just call

it "soccer games"?

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On 22 Dec, 99, 08:39 -0500, Madhava Gosh Dasa wrote:

>> Agreed, prabhu. My point was that in actual battle, the ability to squeeze a

 

>> trigger is quite an insufficient qualification.

 

>From that I can easily surmise taht you have never been in an actual

battle. From >the individual perspective, the ability to pull a trigger in

battle has a great deal >of significance.

 

Not from the perspective that I was putting forth, which is this: Even a

child who may not even be strong enough to hold a rifle can nevertheless

squeeze the trigger. Now how significant is that in terms of the fighting

spirit and fitness required of a warrior?

 

>> Maybe the Sanskrit scholars can uncover some evidence.(?) When you say "We

>> know Krsna did," what exactly do you refer to, please?

>>

>The boys played at catching ball with fruits such as bael and amalaka. They

played >blindman's buff, challenging and touching one another. Sometimes

they imitated the >forest deer and various kinds of birds. They joked with

one another by imitating >croaking frogs, and they enjoyed swinging

underneath the trees. Sometimes they would >play like a king and his

subjects amongst themselves. In this way, Balarama and >Krsna, along with

all Their friends, played all kinds of sports and enjoyed the >soothing

atmosphere of Vrndavana, full of rivers, lakes, rivulets, fine trees and

>excellent gardens filled with fruits and flowers.

>>> Ref. VedaBase => KB 18: Killing the Demon Pralambasura

 

Oh, now I understand. The *above* was what you were referring to when you

said that Krsna also played "competitive sports" [below].

 

> >Well, we can't hunt deer year round as he did. How can you be so sure he

didn't

> >play competitive sports? We know Krsna did, and they were contemporaries.

> >

 

Somehow I don't quite see the connection between organized, competitive

sports and the childhood play of Krsna and the gopas. But, no matter--I have

unlimited more to learn about Krsna's wonderful creation.

 

>> So, in the mood of establishing vad, I was offering that we might do

better to

>> try to apply Srila Prabhhupada's instructions to train kstatriyas--ksatriyas

 

>> trained to fight and kill.

 

>Again, what is your qualification ito have an opinion n the matter of what

it will

>take to train ksatriyas? In fact, there is quite of lack of detail as to

how to

>specifically do this. Part of training is learning how to operate in units

>(teanwork), how to expend physical energy in a competitive environment for

extended >periods of time, all of which are done in a soccer game. Your

general statement >about training ksatriyas has nothing to do with the

merits of a specific

>training technique.

 

But my general statement included the necessary ingredient "fight and kill,"

which was a direct instruction by Srila Prabhhupada, was it not? And you

replied above: "Part of training..." And I grant that as true, but can we

say that our mighty-legged soccer players have been thoroughly trained and

certified to "fight and kill"? Or, is the standard military training in the

armed forces simply full-time practice of soccer skills/games? I mean, we

know that in the military they stage "war games." Why don't they just call

it "soccer games"?

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On 22 Dec 1999, Prema Bhakti wrote:

 

> Have you ever been drafted into army? Or at least, have you ever

> seen on TV what kind of fitness training and rigorous drill the

> marines have to undergo? Police officers also. Yes, "squeezing

> the trigger" is something what even a child or some invalid could

> do but no sane officer would be happy to have these as his fighting

> unit. I spent 1.5 years in army. Could tell you from the first hand

> how totally useless you can be without good fighting spirit and

> fitness, in spite of your "strength" to hold a rifle. A dead piece

> of meat, not more than that.

 

Yes, tell this to Madhava Gosh Prabhu. This is exactly the point I've been

trying to make.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

..

--gkd

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On 22 Dec 1999, Prema Bhakti wrote:

 

> Have you ever been drafted into army? Or at least, have you ever

> seen on TV what kind of fitness training and rigorous drill the

> marines have to undergo? Police officers also. Yes, "squeezing

> the trigger" is something what even a child or some invalid could

> do but no sane officer would be happy to have these as his fighting

> unit. I spent 1.5 years in army. Could tell you from the first hand

> how totally useless you can be without good fighting spirit and

> fitness, in spite of your "strength" to hold a rifle. A dead piece

> of meat, not more than that.

 

Yes, tell this to Madhava Gosh Prabhu. This is exactly the point I've been

trying to make.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

..

--gkd