because the devotees really *are* proud and

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>

> > Did you know that ISKCON devotees are known as the most proud and

unfriendly

> > individuals amongst the religious people?

>

> Why do they think that? Is it because the devotees really *are* proud and

> unfriendly, or because the devotees refuse to descend to the sentimental

> platform? Even if the former, at least the devotees are "in the shower."

> (Right, Janu Prabhu? We don't "banish all 'unclean' devotees," even if

they

> do happen to be proud or unfriendly.)

> If the devotees stay faithful to the process of bhakti-yoga, their

present

> pride and unfriendliness will transform into humility and friendliness,

and

> eventually they'll even go back to Godhead.

 

Prabhu:

Pamho, agtSP

 

Please, with all the respect I have for you, let me disagree with you on

this point, if someone is first train properly on how to go on Sankirana,

instead of sending *anyone* on distributing books, some things can change,

do you have an idea, how many people can be burn by an unfriendly and

proud devotee?

I have expierience on that, and I am tired on apologying on others name,

for being insulted by devotees by expressing other ideas against the

fanatical position of some devotees

example:

few days ago, a 12 years experience sankirtaneer came to my city for

december marathon, he tried to distribute some books to a girl and her

friend (one of those girl is renting a room at my home), and he *proudly*

preach them that they will be go to hell if they doesn't stop smoking, and

change their way of life, etc. etc. etc. he even rise his voice, and even

that is true that this girl can go to hell, that is not the way that we

have to present the philosophy, Laura came home and asked me: even my

mother never spoke me that way.

 

But what can we say of the

> destination of the mundane religionists? Where will they go? Are you sure

> that their next birth won't be as mice or ants in the church of their

choice?

 

That's depend on how do they really are sincere on following the

commandments.

>

Do you think that many ISKCON devotees will reach Vaikuntha loka being so

proud?

 

How many devotees do you really know that practice

 

VACO VEGAM MANASA KRODHA VEGAM, ....

 

very very little, so because of the lack of training on behaviour, we

(ISKCON) the best of the philosophies is being misrepresent all over the

world. I remember last visit my GM in Santiago the Chile, he said that in

studies about diferent religions, the people conclude that our philosophy

was the best, but in social relationship from religious group, the Hare

Krsna was the worse. So because of lack of understanding on the principle

of

 

TRINAD API SUNICENA TAROR API SAHISNUNA...

 

because we aren't humble at all, or not enough, our great mission is

quickly failing

 

your servant, Sridhari devi dasi

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>

> few days ago, a 12 years experience sankirtaneer came to my city for

> december marathon, he tried to distribute some books to a girl and her

> friend

 

My daughter who was born and raised in New Vrindaban and spent 7 years in

boarding gurukula, has several times related to me stories of some 3 years

(whatever) in the movement brahmacari trying to distribute a book to her.

Usually, she is quite amused. She has never actually been harassed though,

will say that, but usually the story revolves around some level of unreality

or insular consciousness manifest by the book distributor.