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>> As most of my devote life has been in New Vrindaban, these ongoing

>> skirmishes with misogyny have been a normal part of life for me. It was a

>> little disillusoning to go through all the pain of having Kirtanananda

>> removed, only to see his teachings so deeply infected in the larger

>> ISKCON society.

 

As mentioned earlier in this thread, Krsna says in Bg that whatever a

leader does common people follow. To my knowledge, however, Krsna does not

explain in precise details all the karmic mechanisms by which this process

takes place.

 

Some things to consider.

Kirtanananda was the first, and only, ISKCON sannyasi for three years. All

right. Is everything that ensued his fault, just because it happened later

in time? In other words, does time sequence mean cause?

 

Why did ISKCON leaders follow Kirtanananda's example so closely (pride,

self-righteousness, misogyny, unlawfulness, etc.)? Didn't they have free

will to have done otherwise?

 

Why did Kirtanananda's seed fall on fertile soil (ISKCON leaders)?

Were ISKCON leaders, perhaps, just ripe for Kirtanananda's example?

 

Maybe the totality of Prabhupada followers constitute one (spiritual and)

karmic network? Maybe some of the shared and dormant, not yet manifested,

karmic propensities become enacted as soon as circumstances permit?

 

your servant,

Kunti-Devi dasi

[Guest guest]

>> As most of my devote life has been in New Vrindaban, these ongoing

>> skirmishes with misogyny have been a normal part of life for me. It was a

>> little disillusoning to go through all the pain of having Kirtanananda

>> removed, only to see his teachings so deeply infected in the larger

>> ISKCON society.

 

As mentioned earlier in this thread, Krsna says in Bg that whatever a

leader does common people follow. To my knowledge, however, Krsna does not

explain in precise details all the karmic mechanisms by which this process

takes place.

 

Some things to consider.

Kirtanananda was the first, and only, ISKCON sannyasi for three years. All

right. Is everything that ensued his fault, just because it happened later

in time? In other words, does time sequence mean cause?

 

Why did ISKCON leaders follow Kirtanananda's example so closely (pride,

self-righteousness, misogyny, unlawfulness, etc.)? Didn't they have free

will to have done otherwise?

 

Why did Kirtanananda's seed fall on fertile soil (ISKCON leaders)?

Were ISKCON leaders, perhaps, just ripe for Kirtanananda's example?

 

Maybe the totality of Prabhupada followers constitute one (spiritual and)

karmic network? Maybe some of the shared and dormant, not yet manifested,

karmic propensities become enacted as soon as circumstances permit?

 

your servant,

Kunti-Devi dasi

[Guest guest]

>

> Some things to consider.

> Kirtanananda was the first, and only, ISKCON sannyasi for three years. All

> right. Is everything that ensued his fault, just because it happened later

> in time? In other words, does time sequence mean cause?

 

Certainly no one is responsible for everything, but he was an early example

and

a powerful one, both good and bad.

 

>

>

> Why did ISKCON leaders follow Kirtanananda's example so closely (pride,

> self-righteousness, misogyny, unlawfulness, etc.)? Didn't they have free

> will to have done otherwise?

>

 

Certainly, but it set an example where those types of devotees were better

able

to flourish. And, of course, not all ISKCON leaders were like that, only

some. A lot of this has to do with degree and balance, and not black and

white

cause and effect. Many followed a lot of his good qualities, which were also

there in abundance.

 

>

> Why did Kirtanananda's seed fall on fertile soil (ISKCON leaders)?

> Were ISKCON leaders, perhaps, just ripe for Kirtanananda's example?

 

Again, a few, not all, and not just leaders, but amongst followers too.

 

>

>

> Maybe the totality of Prabhupada followers constitute one (spiritual and)

> karmic network? Maybe some of the shared and dormant, not yet manifested,

> karmic propensities become enacted as soon as circumstances permit?

>

> your servant,

> Kunti-Devi dasi

 

There are desire seeds dormant in everyone's heart. We don't condemn a

gardener

for having weeds, but we do fault him if he doesn't weed them out, if he lets

them go to seed again.

[Guest guest]

>

> Some things to consider.

> Kirtanananda was the first, and only, ISKCON sannyasi for three years. All

> right. Is everything that ensued his fault, just because it happened later

> in time? In other words, does time sequence mean cause?

 

Certainly no one is responsible for everything, but he was an early example

and

a powerful one, both good and bad.

 

>

>

> Why did ISKCON leaders follow Kirtanananda's example so closely (pride,

> self-righteousness, misogyny, unlawfulness, etc.)? Didn't they have free

> will to have done otherwise?

>

 

Certainly, but it set an example where those types of devotees were better

able

to flourish. And, of course, not all ISKCON leaders were like that, only

some. A lot of this has to do with degree and balance, and not black and

white

cause and effect. Many followed a lot of his good qualities, which were also

there in abundance.

 

>

> Why did Kirtanananda's seed fall on fertile soil (ISKCON leaders)?

> Were ISKCON leaders, perhaps, just ripe for Kirtanananda's example?

 

Again, a few, not all, and not just leaders, but amongst followers too.

 

>

>

> Maybe the totality of Prabhupada followers constitute one (spiritual and)

> karmic network? Maybe some of the shared and dormant, not yet manifested,

> karmic propensities become enacted as soon as circumstances permit?

>

> your servant,

> Kunti-Devi dasi

 

There are desire seeds dormant in everyone's heart. We don't condemn a

gardener

for having weeds, but we do fault him if he doesn't weed them out, if he lets

them go to seed again.