Can we at least be truthful?

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> At 5:17 -0800 1/12/99, COM: Krishna Kirti (das) HDG (Baltimore, MD - USA)

> wrote:

> >[Text 2008287 from COM]

>

> >If we can believe that, either we have mass dyslexia, or we might as well

> >believe the moon is made of cheese.

>

> I can't speak re. your beliefs re. the moon or whether you have a

> diagnosable learning disorder. Such a diagnosis would explain many

> symptoms, but since there are also many other reasons for those symptoms I

> would recommend an appointment with an accredited learning disorder

> specialist. S/he has the necessary training to make the required

> differential diagnosis. Given the header, maybe the other diagnosis that

> needs to be evaluated is paranoia. I don't know, but I sincerely do hope

> you receive the help you need.

>

>

> >

> >P.S. Why did the Women's Ministry publish selected/hacked out of context

> >GHQ conf. texts to VNN?

>

> I thought those were posted by Ardhabuddhi. Ask him/her.

>

> Ys,

> Madhusudani dasi

 

Mataji, I'm asking you because you well know that the GHQ texts were

published by the Women's Ministry. You knew quite a bit in advance of the

actual posting to VNN. Please stop pretending. This is an excerpt form our

now published Notes From A Think Tank (NFTT):

 

> *Nor did it end there...*

>

> Other players joined in for further shenanigans. We direct the gentle

> reader's attention to Section 13.5-6. This text shows that HH Mukunda

> Goswami and the BTG Editorial Board also were involved.

>

> You may note that in 13.6, Mother Sudharma dd states that Mukunda Goswami

> is part of the Women's Ministry (though not a member of IWC, which is for

> women only). Now please turn to Text 13.5, focusing especially on the

> first long paragraph after the salutations:

>

> > "Some of ISKCON's leaders and members have apparently been making

> > extreme statements about the women in our movement. For those of you who

> > may have already seen some of these statements, please forgive the

> > redundancy. It appears that some of these declarations have become part

> > of the public record via internet. Postings and other information

> > indicate that these are not just a handful of disgruntled individuals,

> > rather there appears to be a cabal, a group of conspirators engaging in

> > a pseudo-military-styled strategy that aims to ill-name, misrepresent,

> > exploit and minimize a section of our society. This crosses the line of

> > vaisnava etiquette, to say the least. We are have information that

> > certain parties have given these statements to the anti-cult movement.

> > Therefore, as leaders of ISKCON, we should be prepared to take

> > appropriate steps to publicly condemn such positioning and language,

> > lest these be considered collectively to be (God forbid!) ISKCON's

> > 'official' position."

 

>

>

> This is what Mukunda Goswami thought should be done:

>

> > "The Women's Ministry, of which I am part of, got a hold of the texts

> > from a private conference were devotees were bouncing ideas back and

> > forth for putting a proposal to the GBC regarding feminism. The Women's

> > Ministry, took some of these texts totally out of context as well as

> > edited some of the other texts, and put them together in such a way as

> > to make these devotees look very bad. Then the Women's Ministry, sent

> > this highly prejudicial document full of disinformation to VNN, a

> > well-known anti-ISKCON Web Site. The document that the Women's Ministry

> > sent created much hostility among the devotees on COM. In an angry mood

> > many hostile texts were sent back and forth. Some of these texts were

> > sent to an anti-cult movement. Even though this is the fault of the

> > Women's Ministry, for originally posting the highly inflammatory text on

> > VNN which started the whole exchange of hostile texts; the leaders of

> > ISKCON should take appropriate steps to condemn GHQ members, the victims

> > of the Women's Ministry, because this may create a possible public

> > relations nightmare. It doesn't matter that it is the Women's Ministry

> > who is responsible for this problem, the GBC should publicly condemn GHQ

> > and the philosophical position they uphold."

>

> Very neat conspiracy: Create a public relations problem in order to

> destroy your opponents.

 

All of you well knew what was going on: you were intentionally trying to

malign all of us. You twisted and hacked texts totally out of context just

to make us appear ill intentioned when in fact the opposite was true.

 

And then on top of that, you continue to pretend that you have no idea of

what went on. Nonsense.

 

Now you are crying foul for one text from VAST posted on COM? Was this your

reaction for the 49 texts from the GHQ conference that you posted on the

VNN? Why should anyone listen to your complaints when it is exactly what

YOU do.

 

ys, Krishna-kirti das