Guest guest Posted February 12, 1999 Report Share Posted February 12, 1999 What about the case of the sannyasi president in Hawaii who aquired a boat supposedly for ISKCON and at the end just took-off with it? In Mexico City a previous temple president (a "brahmacari") who stayed on the job for five years left with a bunch of vehicles saying they were his. The local GBC never supervised his actions and deprived Srila Prabhupada's mission of such vehicles. Again, in Mexico City, also under the supervision of the same GBC, "shareholders" of the Movement's incense business refuse to return what is theirs only on paper. One of them actually already said that the shares are his and wants his 20% in assets and profits. And these scenes keep repeating countless times around the world. The point is that "in open coffers even a saint will steal" (as they say around here--and in Spanish). In ISKCON it keeps happening again and again in different degrees, from temple petty cash used for private use to million dollar silencing-fees for "classic" acaryas. It is naive to think that devotees, even "advanced" ones, will make sure by themselves that there won't be more abuses or plain open stealing. There is still plenty of laksmi to blow or steal in ISKCON, and 21 years of plundering tell us that this can go on as long as clear rules are not established. Some time ago I suggested in the Prabhupada Disciples conference that all GBC's, gurus, sannyasis, etc, that receive any donations, should receive them on behalf of a specific project and issue a receipt. They will be known as great contributors to specific causes that they decide to support. The projects themselves, or other arrangements, should pay for the maintenance of such leaders (travel, etc.) but the income should be strictly officially accounted for. Lets see for example the case of princess Di. She would chose a specific cause to help (such as stopping land-mines, or a cancer center, etc.) and the money would go specifically for that project. People liked her but they also knew clearly where the money was going. It is not that she, as an individual, would request contributions and then decide by herself how to spend it. Well, that is how ISKCON is still foolishly doing things after so many years and after so many bad experiences. Baffled by the lack of assertive leadership, Radha Krsna dasa Mexico City Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 1999 Report Share Posted February 12, 1999 Varnasrama development <varnasrama.development (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se> "A sannyasi keeps 'his' donations" - is this a joke? On 16 Dec 1998, Mahanidhi das wrote: > Vijaya-venugopala prabhu wrote: > > No doubt some sannyasis may have (or may still do, I have no first hand knowledge) utilised donations given to them, for their own sense > > gratification... > It's a hard one, with countless pros and cons. A recent example I can give is of a sannyasi here who recently purchased a bus for his preaching. He is going to furbish it out, and will likely mostly use it for himself. Now, is this okay? I don't know where to begin weighing the pros and cons. Is it sense gratification? Who's to judge? Certainly there are doubts in my mind. We've seen this scenario happen before many, many times: A sannyasi "renounces" the association of a wife because it is "too troublesome," only to establish a home of his own (like "Sannyasi Lane" in Vrndavan) and only to be served by numerous women, or a particularly qualified and "devoted" one. The "detachment" of these sannyasis is also seen by the fetishness in how manage their personnel and resources. I am sorry, but I am cynical by repeated observation and training. Sannyasis are supposed to epitomize Krsna conscious practice and serve as a model for the rest of the Vedic social orders; they are meant to become its obsolescence. Disgusted, Srila dasa > It's a fact that Prabhupada had great opulence and stated that if he didn't have so many temples and opulence and just sat under a tree who would take him seriously? So he opened great temples etc... But the one great thing about Prabhupada, which deeply inspired his followers, was that he did not use any of it for his own pleasure. He just travelled constantly, living out of a simple suitcase. Very simple, and very austere, especially at his advanced age. Deep complex topics it seems. Haribol. Ys, Bhaktavatsala dasa (NZ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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