Guest guest Posted February 12, 2001 Report Share Posted February 12, 2001 Referring to the statement by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarawati Maharaja > > Any terminology such as `Hindu-Vaisnava' or > > `Yavana-Vaisnava' is utterly absurd and also offensive. Akhilesvara commented : > The difficulty with this definition is that it does not take in account > the complexity of the language terminology...etc. Here is a reply by Nikhilananda : Srila Bhaktisiddhanta S M `s statement and the story of the stone and the gold pot told by him takes the complexities of the language terminology very well into account. When you think about it, there could be a big difference between saying, "Here is a Vaishnava who took birth in Germany" and "Here is a German Vaishnava". It seems to be the difference in the thinking which Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Maharaja tries to refer to. Especially in kali yuga, there is much risk of falling back to the level of bodily designations and mixing up the transcendental element with the material designation. There is a philosophical point in this nice story, which has been made by our grandfather spiritual master. He warns us to be careful with the terminology we use, especially when we refer to the term "Vaishnava" which demands special respect and to be careful with the way we see things. Caste duty and birth can never replace transcendental achievement. The specific context may have been the many attacks by caste conscious Hindus on Bhaktisiddhanta S M as he had previously also delivered a very famous speech, on the difference between being a brahmana and a Vaishnava and which of the two is higher, which he presented at a very large spiritual gathering. The lesson we learn transcends the particular time and situation and is still valid for us today. It is alright then to tell the border police that you are from India when they ask you where you are from. But if someone speaks seriously about Vaishnavas we cannot label them Hindu Vaishnavas, Yavana Vaishnavas, Brahmana Vaishnavas etc. for it is misleading and can be offensive. All this was proven by HDG Srila Bhaktisiddhanta S M by reference to shastra. And he was able to soundly defeat the caste brahmanas and others on that basis. Just as Srila Prabhupada warned that when a Vaishnava performs the duties of a shudra we should never think that he is a shudra. A Vaishnava can perform all occupational duties if needed but he is considered to be above the level of an ordinary brahmana. So, while doing his duty as shudra or brahmana ( stone ) the Vaishnava is not stone but gold. He is not even gold-plated stone. He is gold. At the same time, this philosophically important statement does not take away the need of those Vaishnavas who work in a certain profession ( like teacher, salesman, policeman ) to realize their particular duties and to display certain character qualities accordingly. For example, it would be improper for the policeman to display the brahminical quality of non- violence when trying to catch a murderer. A Vaishnava will do his duty as policeman but he will -not- think " I am a kshatriya " he will think "I am a servant of Krishna, doing my duty in society". He will not even think that his duty as policeman is his final means of succcess but he will think : "My main duty is the nine processes of devotional service, especially hearing and chanting about Krishna. Only because of chanting and hearing I am able to perform all my other duties somewhat correctly." He will tell the gangster " Hands up, here is the police !" but in his free time he will chant and read the Srimad Bhagavatam as much as possible. Not that the hearing and chanting of Krishna katha is only meant for the "brahmanas". EVERY Vaishnava must have taste for Krishna katha ! The danger comes when a a devotee ( as it has been sometimes the tendency in parts of iskcon in recent years ) sees the final discovery of "his varna" as the essential realization in Krishna consciousness and he thinks that just being a kshatriya will automatically make him a good devotee. He starts to believe that he belongs permanently to one particular varna which has been destined to him by his birth. In this way he starts to identify with a particular bodily designation he believes to have obtained by his birth and he will start to label other Vaishnavas accordingly, as shudras, brahmanas, women, Russians, Jews, blacks, British etc. When it comes to castes or varnas it makes even less sense to apply the designation of kshatriya etc to the Vaishnava than for example nationality because these varnas are not even meant to be given due to one`s birth but refer to certain duties and obligations which come along with one`s profession and the qualities one should exhibit while doing one´s professional work. Just as the profession may change, our duties in this world may change. Our main duty to always remember Krishna does not change. This is like stone and gold. Some argue that Shri Krishna also encourages Arjuna to perform his duty as a kshatriya. Yet the ultimate reason for Arjuna`s decision to fight was not his birth qualification, not even his duty as a kshatriya, but his being a devotee and Krishna wanting him to fight. Krishna told him the Gita because he was a devotee ( bhakto`si me priyo`si me ). According to HDG Srila Prabhupada, it seems like someone can be elavated and rise from the platform of shudra or lower than shudra to that of a qualified brahmana and one can even rise higher, to the level of a devotee of the Lord. On this level one can perform all kinds of duties arising from one`s profession and place in society without becoming attached to it or identifying with it. In summary, there is a danger in labelling people as Americans, Germans, blacks, whites, Hindus, Russians, scholars, workers, men and women. They have a right to perform their particular duties as men, women, Africans or Germans but they should never think that they are this body or see others that way. Srila Prabhupada preached on that so often. This was the basic melody - that we are not this body. The one term which transcends those bodily designations is that of a Vaishnava. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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