Gentlemen (and ladies)!

[Guest guest]

On 08 Apr 1999, Sthita-dhi-muni Dasa wrote:

 

> On 08 Apr 1999, Srila Dasa wrote:

> > Madhava Ghosh, such innunedo as you have not so subtly expressed above is

unacceptable on this conference. Please refrain from dragging this discussion

any lower than it has already gone.

 

Janesvara replied:

> Unacceptable to you. […] has contributed thousands of lines of comments

which I have always found candid and at times humorous.

 

That doesn't authorize him to say anything and everything as he likes, even to

the point of *verbal abuse.*

 

> > Quite different and refreshing compared to some stuffy, conceited

contributors.

 

a) You are throwing around vague accusations with a lot of implied judgments

and no specific evidence. That's also *verbal abuse*.

 

b) *Conceited* means one has such a high estimation of himself that he doesn't

feel any need for admitting he has erred and is callous to the possibility

that he violated the sensitivities of others.

 

*Verbal abuse* is a term psychologists have provided us with to articulate and

identify a form of manipulation and aggression by one person over another.

(Other forms of personal abuse are emotional, physical and sexual.) It's a

term you would be well worth to study and understand for your own emotional

health and development.

 

> > A few rare expletives are easily tolerated. This is real life not life

upon a pedestal. Grow up.

 

Part of "growing up" (I prefer to say, "the process of maturation"), means

learning to draw limits and sticking to them. It's an essential part of

socialization - following social norms and acting civilly with one another.

 

Certain language - or its direct implication (_ _ _ _) [i'm not going to

repeat it] - is simply unacceptable on this conference. You are free to use

whatever terms you feel comfortable with in the places where you seem to

frequent (ie, where "the oldest tradition on earth" is practiced), but not

here.

 

> > This is real life not life upon a pedestal. Grow up.

 

This is *spiritual* life. Act like a gentleman. Uplift yourself.

 

The language we use shapes our thoughts. (Psychologists have also taught us

that.) Uddhared atamanatmanam. "Uplift yourself by the mind. Don't degrade

it." (Bg 6th chapt.).

 

Srila dasa

 

 

> I agree with Srila--Madhava Gosh is behaving like a very bad boy. Say your

sorry, Madhava Gosh, right this minute!

Sthita-dhi Muni