Guest guest Posted April 14, 1999 Report Share Posted April 14, 1999 Bh Scott wrote: > I feel a conference called "Varnasrama Development" should contain intelligent discussion on the afore mentioned subject,instead of a materialistic discussion on the political situation in Kosovo. > Personally i feel that as devotee's we should be above these types of discussion's and should be focusing on more important issues like "ALWAYS REMEMBERING KRSNA AND NEVER FORGETTING HIM" You have something of a point there. I was feeling a little guilty for simply offering my own opinion. On the other hand, Prabhupada explains that sociology, politics, etc are not to be avoided if they have some relation to the service of the Lord. Devotees should generally avoid directly taking sides in mundane political squabbles. But on the other hand, Srila Prabhupada was never one to withold frank advice on political issues when called on. He had the devotees participate in the protests during the 1960's against the unrighteous Vietnam War. On the other hand, Krsna incited Arjuna to fight like anything during the battle of Kuruksetra and told him that to be a pacifist was cowardly. So devotees have their KC concerns regarding even mundane happenings. But your comment is appreciated. We need to steer the discussion more towards a KC perspective than simply voicing our own nationalistic biases. Otherwise, fighting for a righteous cause -- against demonic aggression and disturbance is a pertinent topic for a social forum like VAD. But I basically agree with you: let's keep Krsna and dharma in the center. Srila dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 1999 Report Share Posted April 14, 1999 On 14 Apr 1999, Madhusudani Radha wrote: > I couldn't agree more. Besides, for those who feel like their spiritual > lives are disturbed by certain topics, there *is* always the delete button. I agree. Personally, I look forward everyday to seeing 10 or 15 new messages in the conference regardless of what the subjects are. I may not feel as stimulated by some messages as others, but I consider every single participant in this conference a devotee of the Lord and therefore take interest in reading their views about anything in life. Life in Krsna's Dvaraka sounds like (from the Books) it was a very, very colorful and dynamic place wherein only devotees of the Lord dwelled. The subjects of daily conversations must have been incredibly diverse. I'm sure each devotee there had their own daily private meditations, prayer times, morning ablutions, etc., but the rest of the day was long and socially very involving with one another. I think ISKCON life, in general, has always been very dry and humorless due in part to pretentious zealots and "sadhus" thinking that there is no place for levity or that humor is tacky. I've always yearned to be present at Yudhistira Maharaja's morning sabha performances of jokesters and dancing and music, etc. His day was started in this way everyday. We were barely allowed to laugh in the temple. I would love to hear the voice of Yudhistira Maharaja in a big barrel-chested laugh. What were those jokes anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 1999 Report Share Posted April 16, 1999 > > > > So while these discussions have their place, maybe a related conference > > would help? The trouble might be that we all end up on that conference, > > and this one stagnates. > > > These, strictly unrelated types of discussions simply occur now > and then, spontaneously, in every forum. I don't think that every aspect > of our communicating (and living, in general) has to be always strictly > categorized, neither I think it really can be. There was, in the beginning of time, such a conference to keep all the chit-chat. It was called "free forum". But as things progressed, it does not have that function anymore. Maybe such a conference will be too diversified, and devotees simply find it too mundane. It appears that the Varnasrama conference sets the theme for the discussion, and everything somehow circulates around Varnasrama, goes away a little bit, but always comes back again. Maybe this is the guiding line needed to keep the discussions in line. ys Prisni dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 1999 Report Share Posted April 17, 1999 Why "dasi" my dear Prsni Prabhu? Something changed.. ys Harsi das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 1999 Report Share Posted April 17, 1999 > Why "dasi" my dear Prsni Prabhu? Something changed.. Oops, you are unaware of the latest gossip. A good quality. To make a long story short, I suffer from the problem of beeing a woman born in a male body. Something very rare, and not contagious. You have to be born with it. The thing in itelf is not so bad in itself, the problem is that our society is so incredible polarized into men and woman. Everything is separate and different for the two groups of humanity. Even in devotee society there are very strong divisions. Some of the other discussions here, of what woman cannot do, is an indication of that. Funny enough, there are never any discussions of what men cannot do, that women can do. I wonder why? Because of this small bodily problem, I am not able to situate myself in the social position where I fit in, and can peacefully live my life and perform devotional service in. It is a big disturbance to me, and I become a big disturbance in society, as any person who is wrongly situated is. Therefore I do the only right thing, to cure my small problem, and position myself in society where I belong. In short, I am doing a sex change to match me female inner identity with a female external bodily appearence. That way people when they meet me immediately see what I am, and will not be confused with a behaviour incongruent with the appearance. ys Prisni dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 1999 Report Share Posted April 17, 1999 On 17 Apr 1999, Harsi das wrote: > Why "dasi" my dear Prsni Prabhu? Something changed.. > > ys Harsi das Since we are all female in the eyes of the Lord, maybe I should be called "Sthita-dhi-muni dasa devi dasi", and since women are meant to be servants of their husbands, they could be called, "Govinda devi dasi dasa devi dasi". Now that should make things much easier for Raktambara. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 1999 Report Share Posted April 17, 1999 At 6:19 -0800 4/17/99, WWW: Sthita-dhi-muni (Dasa) SDG (Alachua FL - USA) wrote: >Since we are all female in the eyes of the Lord, maybe I should be called >"Sthita-dhi-muni dasa devi dasi", and since women are meant to be servants of >their husbands, they could be called, "Govinda devi dasi dasa devi dasi". And Prabhupada said that the husbands should serve the wives, dear "Sthita-dhi-muni dasa devi dasi dasa". It's probably good for our consciousness to keep adding on more of those "dasa" and "dasi", lest we get confused and start believing that we're really "prabhu" .. Ys, Madhusudani dasi .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 1999 Report Share Posted April 19, 1999 > There was, in the beginning of time, such a conference to keep all the > chit-chat. It was called "free forum". But as things progressed, it does > not have that function anymore. Maybe such a conference will be too > diversified, and devotees simply find it too mundane. > > It appears that the Varnasrama conference sets the theme for > the discussion, and everything somehow circulates around Varnasrama, goes > away a little bit, but always comes back again. Maybe this is the guiding > line needed to keep the discussions in line. Its ok with me, if that is the general consensus, I also like the variety of exchange, and it seems that in any case we are a long way from being able to start any varnasrama colleges or anything like that because the people in charge of ISKCON centers just dont seem to want to do anything about it. What can you do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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