Initiation (?)

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> Actualy I was not specificaly talking about you and me, I was talking

> about, many others in ISKCON who never seem to be able to agree on what

> Prabhupada wants us to do. (see esp. ritviks)

 

They disagree not only in understanding of what Prabhupada

wanted us to do. Rtviks say that only an acarya, a maha-bhagavata

devotee, could connect us to Prabhupada and his mercy. That

anybody else but uttama is bogus and unauthorized to initiate.

Therefore (their next step), let's take rtvik initiations from

Prabhupada. Until such an acarya manifests. Your "step": Let's

pray for such an acarya who could give us that access to

Prabhupada and sabdha-brahma in his books.

 

So, you got anyway first to get them all united and agreeable on

who's that maha-bhagavata to hear from what's that Prabhupada

want's us to do. They certainly wouldn't make any difference

between any of departed ISCKON guru and any of remaining "good

standing" ones.

 

 

 

> It is that you consider Srila Prabhupada's books

> > to be the materilistic vibration (as oposed to sabdha-brahma) unless

> > heared from an another maha-bhagavata, another acarya.

>

> No I dont consider Srila Prabhupadads books as materialistic vibration AT

> ALL.

 

I was wrongly formulating myself, sorry. I meant rather that

you consider his books (that are, of course, always the

transcendental sound) to say _unmanifested_ as sabdha-brahma

to someone who does not receive them through the agency of a

maha-bhagavata. They remain desguised as some printed alphabets.

Like Holy Dham that apears mundane to mundane people.

 

So even if someone may be dediceting his life to Prabhupda's

mission, he still remains an outsider infront of his books.

Because he got no uttama-adhikari acaraya to grant him the

the entrance. Basically, the whole ISCKON. Like fishes on

dry.

 

 

 

> It is the principle, and that is something that is unchanging,

> whether spoken about this person or that. To me it seems obvious that you

> can interchange in that harmonist article, Bhaktivinoda with Prabhupada,

> as the principle he talks about is that of *serving* a bhagavat bhakta, as

> opposed to *exclusive* empirical study of his works. The principle is that

> it is the personal seva, and the pleasing of the sadhu, which if the sadhu

> desires, may result in the sisya getting mercy, that mercy is the

> spiritual advancement. Reading alone can not have the same result, unless

> the result of the reading ends in such action. That is the point

> Bhaktisidhhanta is making.

 

That principle is clear, though.

 

 

Since Prabhupda is gone, no personal seva to him. No mercy.

So I, and tens of thousnds of other fellow ISKON-iates,

have wasted the good portions of our life in ISCKON, in illusion

that we were *serving* a bhagavat bhakta, Srila Prabhupada.

 

But better late then never. Time to clear our misconceptions.

The Principle is what counts. Not wether someone is braking his/her

back on the street distributing Prabhupada's books, or getting

his/her youth left in some of other aspects of Prabhupada's

mission.

 

"If you want to please me, then secure an uttma-bhakta acarya

for yourself."

 

 

> the same reading

> > capacity will elevate them to the highest perfection of spiritual life."

>

> But it will only elevate them to the highest perfection of spiritual life

> if they ACT upon the instructions found therein.

 

Of course. That's the sign of actual understanding of what's

written there in. We don't mean, "You read and then turn aside to

sleep, and the next morning you reach the perfection of spiritual

life, thanks your reading capacity."

 

 

> There are many scholars

> who *know* many many scriptures, and can quote them till they drop, and

> even defeat mayavada philosophers. But because they dont seek out a guru

> and surrender, they dont get anywhere.

 

We are not discussing here the need of acceptance of and surrender

to the spiritual authority (guru), are we really?

 

 

 

>

> > Srila Prabhupada never told us that we got to secure the guidance of an

> > another acarya in order to understand the meaning of his message.

>

> Srila Prabhupada says everywhere, that you have to surrender to a pure

> devotee to make advancement in spirtual life. Its the basic truth, found

> in all revealed scriptures. It is not his message, it is the message of

> all gurus, of the parampara, they all say the same thing.

 

Ahhhhh... so! One got first to surrender to an uttama-adhikari

devotee, an acarya, in order to make advancement in spiritual life...

 

.... and in order to be able to please Srila Prabhupada and get

the mercy to understand Prabhupada's books. The basic truth.

 

I am starting to lament for 14 years of my life wasted in "serving"

Prabhupada and his mission. I served through some bogus ISCKON

channel (called "HKS"), so all that went down the drain, not to

Prabhupada. Can't get around the Principle, no sir. This is

spiritual clearing-office, not of Indian Government. Back in line,

get all your papers properly stamped. No arguing.

 

 

 

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