Initiation (?)

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> I hate to be bluntly cynical, but it sounds to me that someone with this

> perspective is more looking for a babysitter than a Krsna conscious

> spiritual master.

 

Its good to be bluntly cynical sometimes.

 

A KC leader, or any mature leader, wants to train

> followers to grow up to learn how to take responsibility for their own

> actions.

 

Well of course. It is not that the guru trains one how to do his business or

how to change nappies. I was generalising. A teenage boy can be given one

type of training or instrucion, and a mature adult another. The point is

that a real guru does KNOW what we need. I mean Tamal was not exactly a

baby when Prabhupada told him to go to China.

 

> We all recognize Srila Prabhupada as someone who is capable beyond

> reproach, yet he didn't choose to remain physically present to eternally

> hold the hands of his young followers. He ultimately trained them to think

> for themselves as both his loyal disciples and servants of Krsna.

 

Prabhupada did an extraordinary amount of work for a man so late in life.

Physicaly his body was just skin and bones when he left. I am not so sure he

would not want to train them more. He did speak of going to Gita Nagari to

teach them to live off the land. Personaly I feel they needed to learn a lot

more about surrender, as we never actualy got varnasrama off the ground, and

now practicaly no one wants to do it.

>

> > If you accept whatever

> > service he gives you, without any motivation, and he is a pure devotee,

> > you

> will get mercy, and make actual TANGIBLE spritual advancement.

> >

>

> Ultimately it is Krsna who accepts the service, the guru acts as a

> representative. It is ultimately Krsna's system to train his prospective

> bhaktas by this method. The guru has not potency beyond that.

 

By Krsna's mercy you get guru.