Initiation (?)

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> Certainly Srila Prabhupada was very happy when he heard the books were

> going out. But just the activity if not done with the right motivation

> will not save one.

 

Certainly.

 

 

> One cannot acurately generalise of course. But can YOU say what each of

> their motivations was? As I keep saying if they are sincere the Lord will

> recognise that and fulfil their desires.

 

Samba: They were not making actual spiritual advancement. Punya.

Mahanidhi: How do you know?

Samba: YOU, Mahanidhi, YOU cannot say what each of their motivations was.

 

 

 

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> Prabhu.. thank you... now I know who is my real guru. I should have

> realised it all along. I was determined to find Krsna, and my freind Paddy

> O'Flaherty, showed me the way. He directed me toward the Krsna Temple. He

> certainly has potency, as he can down 16 pints of strong ale in a single

> evening. I shall immediately approach him for Siksa.

>

 

You are being cynical not to me, but to Prabhupada.

 

Prabhupada showed all respect toward Suniti, identifying her

as *Guru*. A bona fide guru, who, due to _social_ circumstances,

could not become Dhruva's initiating guru, so _therefore_

Dhruva had to look for someone else.

 

You can make a parody out of it as much as you like, but it

will change just nothing in the meaning of that particular

Bhaktivedanta purport, regardless of how much you are trying

to inject "16 pints of strong ale" in it.

 

 

> Seriously, we should certainly be grateful to anyone who puts us right in

> life, especialy if they help us to understand the right direction. But

> would you take complete shelter of such a person. If Dhruva's mum was all

> he needed he could have saved a lot of time, and stayed right at home.

> Narada could have saved himself a trip to the Jungle.

 

.... and we could be saved from your *minimizing* Srila Prabhupada's

points.

 

 

>

> There are many gurus, and Srila Prabhupada mentions one here. But you have

> to surender to the right one. My music teacher is a guru, but he cant take

> me to the Lord, because he does not have the Lord.

>

 

Is that's what Prabhupada meant with his expression "guru" when he

"mentioned one there"??? A music teacher?

 

 

Prabhupada:

"According to sastric injunctions, there is no difference between

siksa-guru and diksa-guru, and generally the siksa-guru later on

becomes the diksa-guru."

 

Samba: There are many gurus. Like, my music teacher.

 

 

Whatever. Not even a nitya-siddha acarya would be able to

explain this to us anymore.

 

 

> Maybe I loosely bandied around the word bogus before? OK I was wrong.

> Anyone who alerts one to spiritual life, cant be that bad. It is a fact

> that one cannot say that all the previous gurus were wrong all the time,

> whatever they transmitted without change was of some benefit. Have you not

> heard however, that Kali has also taken shelter in our movement, and

> sometimes manifests in so called devotees, to disrupt Prabhupadas movement

> (can anyone give a reference to that?). The danger is within. We have to

> be very careful who we accept.

>

 

>From bad to worse. Better you have simply stick to "bogus".

 

 

 

 

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