Guest guest Posted May 24, 1999 Report Share Posted May 24, 1999 "COM: Samba (das) SDG (Mauritius)" wrote: > [Text 2339866 from COM] > > ...How many times do I have to repeat this. Bhaktisiddhanta's point is that > 'no > honest man can miss the message of Bhaktivinoda'. He grants that by empiric > study, no one can misunderstand, that one needs to HEAR from the LIPS of the > pure devotee, the writings of Bhaktivinoda. That is the entire point of the > article. Janesvara maintains that only an uttama adhikari can deliver his disciple, therefore, everyone must take diksa initiation from Srila Prabhupada. That is the rtvik philosophy. It sidesteps the issue that someone can derive the same benefit by sincerely taking Srila Prabhupada as their siksa guru. But I think that this perspective suffers from being too narrow. The problem is that the interpretation is too literal -- that someone must physically hear from the lips of another person to be delivered. I have read accounts of deaf devotees who became very enthusiastic in Krsna consciousness. Does this mean that their spiritual progress is all an illusion. And, as much as I have shown impatience with Janesvara prabhu, I think his logic, that Srila Prabhupada himself *initiated* devotees without ever actually physically speaking to them, shows that Srila Prabhupada himself had a much broader understanding of "hearing from the lips." It is meant to be a figurative statement, not a literal one. We are hearing from Srila Prabhupada's lips when we read his "Bhaktivedanta Purports." That is hearing from Srila Prabhupada. That is receiving knowledge about the science of Krsna consciousness which has been specially packaged for our contemporary understanding by Srila Prabhuapada. I am also not in favor of waiting forever to find that "pure devotee" to initiate one. The ISKCON GBC, if it is serious about its mission of providing spiritual guidance, and I believe it is, should at least prepare a booklet which would give actual practical and sastric guidance on how to select a spiritual master. Then, the devotee with all his heart and soul should chant Hare Krsna and pray to Krsna and Srila Prabhupada to send him a spiritual master. When he feels reasonably sure that this person is bona fide, he should take initiation. All the while, he should be developing and increasing his siksa relationship with Srila Prabhupada. With that relationship, if he is humble and sincere, he will be saved -- no matter what else happens. I think we make a mistake when we opt for a very narrow, literal interpretation of "hearing from the lips" since this is not in agreement with the example that Srila Prabhupada himself consistently presented in dealing with his own diksa disciples. By dwelling on this problem, I think we create obstacles, complexities and impediments to spiritual life, which are actually not there. your servant, Hare Krsna dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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