Guest guest Posted June 26, 1999 Report Share Posted June 26, 1999 On 21 Jun 1999, Hare Krsna dasi wrote: > Different devotees have different means of serving Krsna. And it seems to me that one should choose a guru at least partially based on how he wants to serve Krsna. > If you want to serve Krsna by distributing books, take initiation from someone who is really into this. If you want to serve Krsna by building temples, take initiation from someone who is really into that. At least, it seems reasonable that your prospective spiritual master should have at least some enthusiasm for your field. I haven't read anywhere that one should choose a SPIRITUAL MASTER in terms of one's inclinations according to the modes of material nature (eg, varna and asrama). Referring to Jiva Goswami in CC Adi 1, Prabhupada explicitly states that one should choose a spiritual master exclusively to make spiritual advancement -- to realize one's eternal identity -- and not out of any social (ie, VAD), familial, or ecclesiastical (eg, bogus GBC resolutions) considerations. However, Rupa Goswami (BRS) and Bhaktivinode Thakura have recommended we associate with like-minded devotees (sajatiya). So somewhere in between these two criteria we must find a balance. As much as we identify with our varna and asrama, the more we will gravitate to VAD and less to bhakti itself. Prabhupada says that conditioned activities (VAD) and constitutional acitvities (KC) should go on in parallel lines, but of the two, KC considerations should have top priority. Our real business is not to become pakka brahmanas, vaisyas, etc, but become 1st class devotees of the Lord. > However, at least from what I have seen and I must say I have not thoroughly researched the matter -- it does seem that only Srila Prabhupada is interested in thoroughly overhauling the social structure and establishing varnasrama. >From what I see, only Prabhupada is stressing ox power as an essential component of cow protection. From what I see, only Srila Prabhupada is advocating simple living and localized economics. There is no need of a "however": the positions of Srila Prabhupada and the Gaudiya Matha on VAD are not necessarily opposed. Srila Prabhupada was a specially empowered Acarya who established a very broad-ranged, comprehensive program for spreading KC all over the world. Other subsequent acaryas do not need to be proficient nor as widely talented as Srila Prabhupada was to be able to add their respective contributions to expanding the frontier that SP first pioneered. I personally cannot foresee how anyone will be as uniquely gifted and empowered as Srila Prabhupada in the near future nor in many years to come. At the same time, we don't have to minimize the need for other Gaudiya Vaisnavas, "transcendental professors," to offer their expertise and teach us further lessons in the science of devotion. > From what I hear -- and it is also possible that this is not adequately > represented -- the Gaudiya Math devotees are more into discovering original spiritual identities, rather than using our daily work as a means to gain an understanding of Krsna. In Bhakti-tattva Viveka, Bhaktivinode Thakura warns us not to mistake the performance of prescribed actitivites within VAD with pure devotional service (suddha-bhakti). "Using our daily work as a means to gain an understanding of Krsna" (as you express it) sounds more like it falls within the realm of karma-yoga, not pure bhakti. While this may be a necessary and preliminary stage that most people may have to go through in order to purifiy themselves, we should not equate such "dovetailing" with uttama-bhakti: anyabhilasita-sunyam jnana-karmady-ananvrtam anukulyasa ksnananu-silanam bhaktir-uttama. Real devotion is free from any ulterior motivation or impurity. Without properly understanding the goal (suddha-bhakti) and the way to reach it (sadhana-bhakti = BOTH *vaidhi* + *raganuga*), we will NEVER reach it. We may become elevated to some intermediate plateau (eg VAD, kanistha-adhikari) through such dovetailing, but this is not a complete nor ultimately progressive conception. Despite whatever Prabhupada said seemingly to the contrary, KC is not "automatic." Krsna consciousness (krsna-bhakti-rasa-bhavita-matih) is the summum bonum of CONSCIOUS development, and such progressive development only takes place by the special grace of Sri Krsna and under the direct guidance of His pure devotees. Even Bhaktivinode Thakura, a nitya-siddha, showed us the example that one cannot enter into the garden of prema without the association of a maha-purusa siksa-guru. As much as VAD may be ideal and desirable, establishing cow protection in this world is not tantamount to returning to GOLOKA, the transcendental realm where Krsna tends cows and engages in pleasure pastimes with His eternal associates. I don't want to discourage anyone's efforts to further this praiseworthy end (VAD and cow protection), but we should not confuse VAD with pure bhakti because they are not equatable or synonomus. VAD does not necessarily lead to pure bhakti. Conversely, nor does pure bhakti depend on VAD. Only by the continued grace of pure saints is pure bhakti possible. No lesser realized varna-guru can guide us to prema. If we make this clear from the beginning, then we can proceed progressively without becoming deviated on the "lower rungs" of karma-yoga or fruitive activity. Dasanudasa, Srila dasa > Is my perception correct? Is anyone besides Srila Prabhupada stressing the importance of localized economics, cow protection and varnasrama as things that will help us in building a spiritualized social structure? > Hare Krsna dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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