Sentimentalism vs Sadhu's knife: sewing it up

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Srila das wrote:

 

> Well done! I accept defeat at

> the hands of the digvijaya maha-pandit, Mahanidhi prabhu, ki jaya!

 

(To accept defeat from somebody means to accept that one also

as the superior authority in the field of defeat.)

 

>

> However, as a master in "scissors-logic," regarding your last point, I

> have one final comment. Before passing away in 1977 Prabhupada instructed

> us as to the importance of the maxim of *andha-pangu-nyaya* as our ISKCON

> motto: the logic of the LAME and BLIND person. India was lame but replete

> with spiritual vision, and America (the West) was strong but BLIND, devoid

> of spiritual sight. What did Prabhupada mean by this? Meditate upon that

> analogy, because I do.

>

 

(Well, it seams like the master in "scissors-logic", a digvijaya

maha-pandit Mahanidiji, got a faithful and admiring disciple here.

Not bad, not bad... Not so difficult either, to get some fanatical

followers)

 

 

I don't know what you are exactly referring here to with some

"Prabhupada instructed us". There here been so many "final orders"

circulating around these days. Everybody seam to got his pair of

scissors to cut&paste.

 

Your basic presumption here is that the whole ISCKON is BLIND. Got

not enough "brown" sadhus, therefore blind. All some pale, white,

blind and musculous Americans(Westerners).

 

 

 

> Furthemore, you may be BLIND to the letters and instructions where

> Prabhupada requested his GBC leaders to "cooperate fully" with the Gaudiya

> Math (the last recorded instruction on the matter in 1977). What ever

> happened to those instructions? I can tell what happened: they were

> trashed. (No comment about the leadership.)

>

 

I don't know. You are the one talking about. You make a claim

that there were some evidence some time in past, and that there

was somebody who destroyed all that evidence. And then you may

accuse the entire world for being BLIND and not seeing that letters!

 

(Boy, what a disciple in scissoring logic have I gotten here!

Anyway better one lousy than none at al - it's the emergency

time.)

 

 

 

Narayana Mharaja claims something similar like you (who got

the "conspiration info" from whom, you from him or vice versa?)

He said:

 

 

" Srila Bhaktivedanta Svami Maharaja told me in the last days

'You should help my disciples. They are like monkeys, I could not train

them so much. So always try to help them.' I said to him:

'Your order is on my head, I will carry it for the rest of my life.'

I had served him so much that he was pleased to give this service to me.

You know he said: 'You should do my samadhi, with Vedic mantra.

I don't want that they should touch my body.' He told me so many things

which were recorded on cassette which was destroyed... "

 

 

But Hari Sauri prabhu is confirming that the tape still exists,

that it is not true that it was destroyed. So I guess it would be

not impossible to find out who is telling the truth here, and

what those "so many things" Prabhupada told to NM.

 

Furthermore, according to Hari Sauri, Narayana Maharaja is claiming

that he (NM) received 200-300 letters from Prabhupada but the GBC

"lost" them. Neither Hari Sauri (as a personal servant of Srila

Prabhupada) nor anybody else has any recollection of Srila Prabhupada

writing all those letters to NM. Nor NM himself has any of those

letters. But this may be even not relevant.

 

Thus it remains to you only to make some claims on the nonexisting

"evidence" that has been, allegedly, destroyed. But Narayana Maharaja

is presenting himself as the legitimate successor of Prabhupada

in ISCKON, as if Prabhupada's will to be so. Now, if NM himself got

just NO a shred of any EVIDENCE whatsoever to support something like

that (which would be of the greatest importance and interest to the

entire ISCKON), then all is left is -- to blame the GBC and ISCKON

leaders.

 

 

You know the basics? Don't accuse others for the crime if you

got no evidence to prove anything of your claim. Then you stand

there guilty of the crime of making up the nonsense accusations.

(Don't let me teach you all this ABC here)

 

 

 

> In the beginning, Prabhupada's original intention was "we want to

> AMALGAMATE completely with the Gaudiya Math." (letter 1968) (AMALGAMATE:

> "combine into one, integrate, etc." Webster's 3rd Intl) Just consider that

> there might be much to which you are also blind to.

>

 

I don't know what you are talking exactly about, since you are

not quoting that "letter 1968". Funny that you are bale to quote

the exact place where we can find the references for the word

"AMALGAMATE", but you give us no clue over where that Prabhupada's

letter is to be found (just please don't tell us "they buried it

somewhere in their backyard").

 

On the other hand, we all ought to be well prepared on how

Prabhupada might react on Srila das' proposal for "amalgamating

completely" with Gaudiya Math and their leaders:

NOTICE the date! Comes much *after* your "letter 1968" (what letter,

Srila prabhu, btw.??)

 

(Please let's at least hear *Prabhupada's* opinion, not only Srila's

or NM's or somebody's.)

 

 

>

> >Letter to Rupanuga/ Tirupati April 28th,1974

> >

> >"You are right about Sridhara Maharaja's genuineness. But in my opinion

> >he is the best of the lot. He is my old friend, at least he executes the

> >regulative principles of devotional service. I do not wish to discuss

> >about activities of my Godbrothers but it is a fact they have no life for

> >preaching work. All are satisfied with a place for residence in the name

> >of a temple, they engage disciples to get foodstuff by transcendental

> >devices and eat and sleep. They have no idea or brain how to broacast the

> >cult of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. My Guru Maharaja used to lament many

> >times for this reason and he thought if one man at least had understood

> >the principle of preaching then his mission would achieve success. In the

> >latter days of my Guru Maharaja he was very disgusted. Actually, he left

> >this world earlier, otherwise he would have continued to live for more

> >years. Still he requested his disciples to form a strong Governing body

> >for preaching the cult of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. He never recommended

> >anyone to be acarya of the Gaudiya Math. But Sridhara Maharaja is

> >responsible for disobeying this order of Guru Maharaja, and he and others

> >who are already dead unnecessarily thought that there must be one acarya.

> >If Guru Maharaja could have seen someone who was qualified at that time

> >to be acarya he would have mentioned. Because on the night before he

> >passed away he talked of so many things, but never mentioned an acarya.

> >His idea was acarya was not to be nominated amongst the governing body.

> >He said openly you make a GBC and conduct the mission. So his idea was

> >amongst the members of GBC who would come out successful and self

> >effulgent acarya would be automatically selected. So Sridhara Maharaja

> >and his two associate gentlemen unauthorizedly selected one acarya and

> >later it proved a failure. The result is now everyone is claiming to be

> >acarya even though they may be kanistha adhikari with no ability to

> >preach. In some of the camps the acarya is being changed three times a

> >year. Therefore we may not commit the same mistake in our ISKCON camp.

> >Actually amongst my Godbrothers no one is qualified to become acarya. So

> >it is better not to mix with my Godbrothers very intimately because

> >instead of inspiring our students and disciples they may sometimes

> >pollute them. This attempt was made previously by them, especially

> >Madhava Maharaja and Tirtha Maharaja and Bon Maharaja but somehow or

> >other I saved the situation. This is going on. We shall be very careful

> >about them and not mix with them. This is my instruction to you all. They

> >cannot help us in our movement, but they are very competent to harm our

> >natural progress. So we must be very careful about them."

> >

 

 

Have you read at least the last two sentences here, Srila prabhu??

Or are we all still blind to Prabhupada's letters?

 

So, now you go tell us all how Srila Prabhupada instructed us in his

letters to completely "AMALGAMATE" ISCKON into GM.

 

 

 

> Speaking of blindness, what does Christ say about calling someone else

> "blind"? "Remove the log from your own eyes, before you mock someone else

> for having a splinter.."? While we're on the subject make sure you don't

> have any cataracts in your own eyes. It's in your own interest to get a

> "checkup" (from a sadhu, of course!).

>

 

 

Well, Mahanidhi das called Srila das blind (in regard to the

certain facts). In turn, Srila das exposed the entire ISCKON

as blind (in regard to spiritual science). What Jesus Christ

would say to Srila das on THAT?

 

(I am just about to renounce you publicly as my disciple in *any*

logic, not only in "scissoring" -- you are not making any good

advertisement for me, on this way)

 

 

 

> Anyway, I will humbly bow out of this one by accepting my blindness as

> greater and more urgent. I need to "save myself first." (Prabhupada wrote

> this in a letter to Ramesvara's after Ramesevara had informed him of the

> results from one of the biggest Xmas marathons in history, Prabhupada

> mentioned in closing that this was wonderful news but that most

> importantly, preaching means to save oneself first.

>

 

In order to convince yourself how you are being saved by Narayana

Maharaja (in absence of other LIVING guru capable of saving you),

you don't really have to go struggeling to turn the whole ISCKON to

NM/GM first. Feel secure in your own wondering, even if the rest of

the "flock" will not follow you.

 

 

> So in this humbled spirit, I will invoke the prayer of Krsnadasa Kaviraja

> Goswami in Caitanya-caritamrta.

>

> durgame pathi m'endhasya skalat pada-gater muhuh

> sva-krpa asti danena svantah santavalambanam

>

> "My path is difficult, I am blind and my feet are slipping again and

> again. I cry out for the mercy-stick of the saints as my support."

>

> Thank you, Mahanidhi Prabhu, for reminding me of my fallen condition. Yes,

> I am very much blind:

>

 

Yeah...

 

First you try to eliminate me with your "balarama-straw-blade" as

a someone being "guru-less" and therefore of a hypocritical position.

 

Then the cannonade of "SADHU-NINDA" projectiles and other target guided

missiles that got to turn me into dust.

 

I guess now the time for the remaining "astra" has come -- the

illuminating brilliance of a natural quality of a truly humble

Vaisnava, his humility and meekness. (gonna survive this one also)

 

 

> om ajnana timarandhasya

> jnananjana salakaya

> caksur unmilitam yena

> tasmai sri-guruve namah

>

> "I offer my respectful obeisances to my spiritual master who is removing

> my blindness and opening my eyes with the torchlight of knowledge."

>

 

Please just tell me that it is *Srila Prabhupada* that you are

meditating on now with this prayer, and it will make me get

inspired in my life.

 

Otherwise, I am not moved with your ability to quote some

Sanskrit of this kind.

 

 

> I genuinely wish both you and Sthita-dhi-muni Prabhu well.

 

If the wish is genuinely genuine, then the genuine "Thanks" from

my side, and a genuine "Wish you the Same" along it.

 

Well, I wish you well in any case.

 

 

>

> Hare Krsna.

>

 

Hare Krsna.

 

 

> Srila dasa

 

Mahanidhi das

 

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