The Soul's Fall... The Final Word

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> > Oh, then WHAT is it if not "prior"?? After? Right now? Say it loudly so

> > that we may know.

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> The purport talks about 2 different situations. This is clear from both

> the short-range context and the long-range context.

 

Yes. One situation of the living entity in the Spiritual World,

and the other leaving the same spiritual world and going to

the material world.

 

 

 

 

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> Note the second sentence -- it is an absolute. There is _NO_ duality or

> hate in the spiritual world. Then what should we make of the description,

 

Let's not leave the purport in *question*:

 

 

"The original home of the living entity and the Supreme

Personality of Godhead is the spiritual world. In the spiritual world

both the Lord and the living entities live together very peacefully.

Since the living entity remains engaged in the service of the Lord,

they both share a blissful life in the spiritual world. However, when

the living entity wants to enjoy himself, he falls down into the

material world. Even while in that position, the Lord remains with

him as the Supersoul, his intimate friend. Because of his

forgetfulness, the living entity does not know that the Supreme Lord

is accompanying him as the Supersoul. In this way the living entity

remains conditioned in each and every millennium."

 

 

OK. Let's see what informations we have in order that they are

given from Prabhupada in *this* one purport:

 

- the living entity is together with the SPG in the Spiritual Sky.

- the living entity lives peacefully there with the SPG

- **however**, the living entity may decide to enjoy himself

- such living entity falls down

- the Lord **remains** with him *even* in that condition.

- the living entity is **forgetful** and does not know that

the Supreme Lord is still with him, accompanying him to the

material world.

 

 

You insist that it is not the *same* "living entity" that

Srila Prabhupada is speaking here. But the one that is always

in the Spiritual world, and the other one that has never been

with Krsna in the spiritual world but always in the material.

 

Thus you are indeed making a blunder of jeopardizing

Srila Prabhupada's intelligence when he speaks about the

fallen living entity that Krsna *remains* with him "even while

in that position", and that he is *forgetful* of the Lord.

Forgetful of WHAT, for God's sake, if that living entity

has never known the Lord in any point of time in his

existence!?

 

Look in OED the meaning of world "forgetful" and explain to

everybody how one can be forgetful of nothing.

 

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My last remark regarding understanding of this particular

purport of Srila Prabhupada:

 

It is remarkable that you have pointed to us that there is no

reason for us to "assume" how Prabhupada would mean anything

else but what exclusively your explanation was. In other words,

that there is no reason for us to "assume" that Prabhupada

is consistently speaking in this one purport about the same

living entity that first was with Krsna and then decided to

leave.

 

I will step out here. Makes no sense to bit the empty husk.

I understand well that different meanings might be derived from

different purports (und thus may be for discussion), but to insist

that *only* one meaning is to be applied by hook or crook

(regardless of what the particular purport/verse/statement is),

is something that turns me off on the spot. Keep in mind

that you are swimming (rather, drawing) in the unlimitedly deep

waters of acintya-bedha-abedha tattva, in order to rule out

the first obtainable and clear meaning of Prabhupada's purport,

in order to "establish" another one that will make Prabhupada

appear inconsistent and confused in his presentation of that

purport.

 

 

 

- mnd

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> "When the living entities desire to enjoy themseves, they develop a

> consciousness of duality and come to hate" ? This event clearly cannot be

> taking place in the spiritual world, since there is no duality or hate in

> the spiritual world (*). Thus, the living entities spoken of here are not

> residents of the spiritual world, but rather some other type of living

> entities who are nevertheless also innately spiritual.