The Soul's Fall... The Final Word

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> My dear respected Vaisnavas. Please accept my humble obeisances.

> Undoubtedly, there are some very intelligent persons on this folder along

> with those who know the art of using logic to reach certain conclusions

> that they accept as 'truth.' And logically, they may be correct in their

> conclusions. But unfortunately the absolute cannot be reached by this

> method. You cannot just take certain statements from Srila Prabhupada's

> lectures and declare them absolute (or rather declare as absolute your

> understanding of exactly what the meaning of the statement is ), then find

> another statement that you declare as absolute (in the same manner), and

> then by the empirical, deductive process of reason declare that the

> obvious conclusion is also undisputedly true.

 

Great text. As soon as I saw this issue of the souls fall cropping up here,

I groaned in anguish (since then I deleted almost every text in the

string!). How long do we have to obsess over this topic? Srila Prabhupada

himself stated that this is not an important subject matter, better to just

get out of here. But we have to debate it, offering quotes and counter

quotes and getting all worked up about it. You are right, when it comes to

such subject matters the best place to resolve it is at the feet of a

bonafide pure devotee guru, and not by our presenting endless quotes.

 

What do we think we can acheive, other than showing of our own erudition or

scholarship? Can we not get practical here? Lets leave these issues to the

pure vaisnavas, who can actualy resolve them due to their unending darshan

of Lord Krsna. Then the rest of us can roll our sleeves up, and get on with

defining the first steps in getting our GBC, or whoever will listen to get

varnasrama colleges going. We need practical solutions for this movement,

not a lot of esoteric rambling.

 

Srila Prabhupada gave us a lot of very clear practical instructions to start

varnasrama colleges. We have the instructions yet we are still to follow up

on them. This is unfinished business. Maybe if we did this, Lord Krsna would

be pleased, and by acting in sattva guna in cooperation with the lords

magnificent yet humbling creation, we might start to actualy desire the

association of indisputable pure vaisnavas, we might give up our own puny

intelligence, and seek the intelligence of those devotees who are free from

envy avarice and lust.

 

This conference could if its participants put their mind to it offer

something practical. Instead we indulge in endless speculations regarding

what Srila Prabhupada actualy meant.

 

Maybe we should rename the conference, 'Miscellanous debates about Srila

Prabhupadas teachings'?

 

Ok some will say that they think all this talk is good, and sure, some good

things do come out of it, such as this text of Mahananda prabhu. The

argument often comes up that all of these topics do come loosely under the

heading of varnasrama, 'loosely' being the operative word.

 

Anyway, sorry folks every now and then I get desperate for some practical

progress.

 

YS