Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 There certainly seems to be a spirited discussion on the relevance of varnasrama and how to implement Srila Prabhupada's wishes on this matter. I appreciate very much Janesvara Prabhu's spirited defense of varnasrama principles. I do find it somewhat unnecessary that he is being made to defend the application of varnasrama in the Varnasrama conference. If one doesn't agree with these principles then perhaps their interests would be better served in another conference. >From my vantage point, it seems that the difficulty in establishing a varnasrama society is partly based upon that the devotees reflect our Kali Yuga societal makeup, i.e. that 98% of us are city raised. If we are to implement varnasrama, it seems obvious that it must be based upon agricultural development. I have always understood that is why Srila Prabhupada was heading to Gitanagari to help direct us on varnasrama development. I haven't visited all of our rural communities but Gitanagari is certainly one of the best endowed properties for soil and agricultural potential. I'd love to have their soil and food growing potential on my own farm. Anthropology 101 teaches us that there are four types of society: 1. Hunters and Gatherers; 2. Pastoral Nomads; 3. Extensive Agriculturalists (i.e. Slash and Burn) and 4. Intensive Agriculturalists (that is the society that predominates the planet presently). The one key component shared by all of these societies, in fact how they define themselves, is their means on how they produce food. It is the first stepping stone of any social (varnic) arrangement. It is not difficult to research Srila Prabhupada's books to list many of the principles of varnasrama but to see how to start the process we should remind ourselves of Srila Prabhupada's journey to Gitanagari to begin the process of varnasrama development. He was going to an area which had ample food producing potential. If we can begin the process of agricultural development, then there is automatically engagement for sudras. If food production is successful, i.e. that a surplus is produced, then there is engagement for ksatriyas in collecting taxes. From food production comes employment and devotees working together which will result in the development of gurukulas and temples. The main difficulty will be to have the devotees understand that by engaging in an activity related to their varna, that they somehow denigrate themselves spiritually. It will likely be argued that devotees can and are coming together in many communities such as Alachua, Prabhupada's Village or Saranagati to suggest a few. But varnasrama development in any community will always be hindered unless there is agricultural development. You cannot substitute this by selling hats or different varieties of paraphernalia as development of the vaisya varna.. Vaisya activity is based upon land, cows and the trade of their surplus production. The present day food system is precarious to say the least and we cannot depend on it to supply us our food needs in the long term. I am not going to make any predictions but since it is based upon the mode of passion and ignorance it cannot last. To think otherwise is foolhardy. I also disagree with using doomsday forecasts to try to encourage devotees to develop varnasrama communities. It is shortsighted and in the mode of passion. Our motivation needs to be simply to serve Srila Prabhupada and understand his plan. And as can be seen by the quotes produced in this conference by Samba Prabhu, Srila Prabhupada's plan for varnasrama development started with producing one's food. Respectfully, Vyapaka dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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