How to start varnasrama

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On 5 Aug 99, Sthita-dhi-muni das wrote:

 

> On 5 Aug 1999, Harsi das wrote:

> > The egalitarian aproach of some brahmanas in our movement to accept

> > and respect only their way of thinking and willing is definitelly not

> > the varnasrama system described by Krsna in the Bhagavad-gita.

> > The devotional principles are there for all to follow, but their

> > aplication may be different acording to the varna one may be in.

> > The forgiving mood of a brahmana may equal the club of the head of a

> > real ksatriya. Is he therefore less qualified or Krsna conscious?

 

> Yes, and this is the area we need to work on the most, in my opinion.

 

So Arjuna when he was on the battlefield of Kuruksetra and told Krsna that

he "want to act as a brahmana" so to speak, and forgive the Kauravas their

wrongdoings for the sake of peace and propagating the write way of action in

"Krsna conscousness", should have done this, because he would have acted

Krsna conscious, is it that wath you want to say by this?

 

Does not Krsna autorize certain way of actions for certain varnas in the

society? Is not that Krsna consciousness, to think and act acording to the

particular varna one may be in, because that pleases Krsna? Otherwise one my

displease him by not executing his duties properly and thus acumulate bad

karma. I think that may be one way of looking at our present problems, in

our society. Certain devotees acted out of emergency in certain varna

positions, wich require certain varna qualifications in order to fulfill

their duties properly and Krsna consciouss for the good of the society, but

who neglected their duty because of not being properly engaged acording to

the varna they fit in the most, thus acumulated bad karma for themselves and

the society of devotees.

Does that please Krsna?

 

When I speak of "varna" in the context of a society structure I mean a

certain autorized post or position ocupied by someone who ist most fit for

this post due to his particular varna qualifications.

 

That is in my opinion the corect understanding of the clasical Varnasrama

Dharma society as oposed to the emergency varnasrama one may have until now

in ISKCON if at all.(Where are the autorized ksatriya posts or ocupations?)

 

And ones there is such a society structure created in an autorized way, the

devotees acting in this "varnas" or positions should best fulfill the

requerements needed by having the particular varna inclinations, than they

would be most effective four the good of the society, thus pleasing Krsna by

their work or proper atitude taken acording to their post or varna.

 

I would definitely not incourage that anyone who has a ksatriya nature but

is not yet engaged in the society structure in an autorized way in a

position fit four him, should try to make justice on his own (the club on

the head) when he sees injustice in the society of devotees.

 

Acting in an unautorized way acording to ones varna inclinations would

definitelly mean chaos in the society and Wild West mentality.

 

So please dont understand me wrong, everything would have to be done in an

autorized way acording to the four divisions of the varnasrama society in

order to act Krsna consciouss and thus please Krsna by his particular work

or service, in my opinion.

Then I think the social body would be in proper order.

 

ys

Harsi das