How to start varnasrama

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On 7 Aug 1999, Harsi das wrote:

 

> > Yes, 25 years of experience is not the same as 25

> > generations. At this stage, I believe devotees surely should be counceled

> > that living as an ashrama brahmancari/ini is only one stage in a full life

> > of Krsna consciousness.

>

> That would definitely be a good start in varnasrama dharma education in our

> centers, to often bramacarya was so long forced upon someone by our one

> sided preaching, until many almost almost bloobt.

> In Germany I heard they want to start a new way in this direction.

 

 

> The new

> bhaktas will get proper Krsna consciouss education in the bhakta class then

> go for some time on sankirtan and after three years in the temple they will

> be guidet to find a proper varna education or job acording to their

> inclinations where they can learn to maintain themselves and thus be able to

> maintain a family.

 

 

 

Srila Prabhupada said: "Varna first, THEN asrama. Asrama comes later" What is

described above is the opposite of this. Why don't they want to follow Srila

Prabhupada's idea?

 

What is "proper Krsna conscious education" without varnasrama training

included AT THE SAME TIME?

 

Why would they force some bhaktas who are probably NOT brahmanas to go out on

"sankirtan" for three years?

 

"Srila Prabhupada: That should be the aim how the society will go on nicely.

And for management, this brain, hand, leg, belly, must be divided. Just like

there is slight difference between those who are directly engaged in temple

worship and those who are going out to sell books. Apparently there is

difference but basically there is no difference. If one can sell books

nicely, why should he be engaged in temple worship? He can do better work in

that way. But there is no difference between selling the books and temple

worship or washing the dish. There is no difference because it is all

transcendental."

 

 

If it is all transcendental work why not START with varna engagements?

 

What is is that the German temples find implausible in Srila Prabhupada's

idea of starting a varnasrama college in their center for the initial training

and let the natural varnas develop from the varnasrama training?

If a bhakta is so natured to go out on sankirtana, and I presume this means

preaching; not sales of paintings or buttons or whatever other trinkets or

junk is sold to support the temple, then he is a brahmana and has the proper

training in scripture before speaking to others about the philosophy.

 

And if the bhakta is a vaisya, sudra or ksatriya by nature this has been

discovered BEFORE engaging them in some incorrect, unnatural varna wherein

they would only become frustrated and leave.

 

Varna first, asrama later. Not sankirtana first, varna later. This is simply a

continuation of human rights abuse for which we are now suffering horrible

international attention.

 

FIRST, determine the varna of a new bhakta and provide the respective varna

training, education, engagement, facilities, teaching, association, etc., all

related to the varna of the bhakta, then his engagement for the rest of his

life in the service of the Lord is assured of success. And he or she will be

happy the whole time.

 

This "three years in the temple and sankirtana" is brain-washing and "cult

consciousness". What if the new bhakta was a vaisya by nature from DAY ONE and

would have been a fantastic servitor of the cows who are suffering?