How to start varnasrama

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> > Where did you get the idea of *forcing* some bhaktas on sankirtana for

> > three years?

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> I was forced, it is not so unbeleivable.

 

I mean, where he got that idea from the *"rapport" of Harsi prabhu*?

There was merely mentioned "some time of sankirtana". Why are you

both "flipping" out on that? Where *forcing* was implied in that

idea? Please answer.

 

 

Now, that we complain and lament on how we were forced on sankirtana,

is rather a sign of our sudra nature. Right, then we shouldn't have

been forced on it. But then we ourselves shouldn't have made such

decision in our lives to join a Hare Krsna temple. IT IS NOT FOR

EVERYBODY, that is the fact. But who is forcing you to hit the doors

of such a temple. Remember, it was such a heroic act to even decide to

join the temple of the sect that enjoyed such a heavy public reputation

of being extremely fanatic and all that? And then what now? Now we

cry, "Oh, those nasty leaders forced me out to sell their books, I

got traumatized". Ridiculous. Older we are and softer our lives

become, that softer our brain muscles seam to be as well.

 

 

 

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> > something else will for sure be there.

>

> You are so certain? So many gurukula graduates cannot find a meaningfull

> service in ISKCON.

>

 

No, actually I am not *so* certain. I meant, the other classic

engagements as deity worship, cooking, like that.

 

So don't live in the temple, if you can't take it. That's all.

 

ISCKON is to be seen much largely as the society. Not just a temple.

Stop expecting from the temples to be providing people the jobs

according to their natural inclinations and occupational duties.

For that you need the society in large (temple being just a part

of it). It's a way long to go till that.

 

 

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> > Where are you getting your ideas from? Since when some years of book

> > distribution (for those who can make it, self-obviously) are "incorrect,

> > unnatural varna engagement"?

>

> It is just comon sense really. If you are not suited for it, it is not

> correct engagement, nor is it natural. is that difficult to understand?

 

 

I can very well understand that sankirtan is not a profession (an

occupational duty) that one got to do it. You are mixing

*varna engagement* with the *spiritual austerities* of the people

who decided to try practicing the path of renunciation as Hare

Krsna monks, in the spiritual movement called - SANKIRTAN MOVEMENT.

Don't complain, "Ah, this sankirtan in the temple is not in my nature,

I am something else".

 

But, again, my point is, if you are looking for your profession,

then don't go living in a Hare Krsna temple. There is no so much

to be offered to you. Its all brahminical activity - sankirtan,

preaching, deity worship... It is the austere spiritual place

(supposed to be so, so don't cry if "too much of it").

 

 

> > Then you send them all not to a Hare Krsna temple. Maybe to some camps,

> > where they will get the professional training.

>

> I am really surprised that after so long in this conference, you can still

> misunderstand this most basic point. The practical training, and the

> spiritual training are done, SIMULTANOUSLY. They compliment each other. We

> have to live in this material world, and we have to leave it.

 

That is fine. I might well be able to understand that. But can you

see the difference in between *temple* (as the place where the

spiritual traning is being received) from the places where practical

professional education is being received? Call it "college" or

"workshop" or "camp" or whatever.

 

In other words, first define the role of *temple* in the *society*.

Then what type of activities got to be performed by temple, and with

whom. The temple is not to be assumed a role of "society" for all the

people.

 

 

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> > Then don't go living in the temple, if even 3 years of it is too much

> > for you, and some brain-washing occultism.

>

> Yeah I guess we should just shut up and let this 'perfect' system we have

> continue, and hopefully there will still be some devotees left, to do

> something. After all everything is just dandy in ISKCON right now, I never

> heard of ANY problems at all.

>

 

 

It nevertheless the fact remains that the temple life is not for

everybody.

 

At the moment, simply being full of cynisam and the impuls to

"beat the system on the head by any mean", that you can't

discuss something concretely. All what happend, basically, was

that "doing sankirtan in the temple" has been mentiomed, and there

both you and Janesvara went "off" completely.

 

 

 

- mnd