How to start varnasrama

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> I mean, where he got that idea from the *"rapport" of Harsi prabhu*? There

> was merely mentioned "some time of sankirtana". Why are you both

> "flipping" out on that? Where *forcing* was implied in that idea? Please

> answer.

 

 

Someone is flipping out here? Please define flipping?

>

> Now, that we complain and lament on how we were forced on sankirtana, is

> rather a sign of our sudra nature.

Right, then we shouldn't have been

> forced on it. But then we ourselves shouldn't have made such decision in

> our lives to join a Hare Krsna temple. IT IS NOT FOR EVERYBODY, that is

> the fact.

 

So thats where I went wrong! For all these years! Thanks.

 

But who is forcing you to hit the doors of such a temple.

> Remember, it was such a heroic act to even decide to join the temple of

> the sect that enjoyed such a heavy public reputation of being extremely

> fanatic and all that?

 

Maybe we should put big signs, NO SUDRAS!.

 

And then what now? Now we cry, "Oh, those nasty

> leaders forced me out to sell their books, I got traumatized". Ridiculous.

> Older we are and softer our lives become, that softer our brain muscles

> seam to be as well.

 

Words of wisdom.

 

> So don't live in the temple, if you can't take it. That's all.

 

Doesnt sound very compassionate to me prabhu. Sudras shouldnt even try to

become Krsna Conscious by approaching Krsnas devotees? I prefer Srila

Prabhupadas idea of creating farm communities, where sudras and grihamedhis

can actualy begin their spiritual life, by engaging their propensities in

Krsnas dervice. That sounds like a positive alternative, and could even

increase the preaching in areas where we have not yet done so.

>

> ISCKON is to be seen much largely as the society. Not just a temple. Stop

> expecting from the temples to be providing people the jobs according to

> their natural inclinations and occupational duties.

 

Sheesh, why ever did Srila Prabhupada tell us to set up those varnasrama

colleges?

 

> But, again, my point is, if you are looking for your profession,

> then don't go living in a Hare Krsna temple. There is no so much

> to be offered to you. Its all brahminical activity - sankirtan,

> preaching, deity worship... It is the austere spiritual place

> (supposed to be so, so don't cry if "too much of it").

 

Wow, where were you when Srila Prabhupada had all his ideas about

varnasrama? You could have given it to him straight. Either your in, and you

surrender, or your out, but forget about those damned material propensities

of yours, they are maya!

 

Get out on the street, and do big, and dont come back until you do! I was

actualy told that once, really oozing with compassion.

 

But hey, I'm still here, and happy too, because I know that Srila Prabhupada

has a place for us all. You know what, Srila prabhupada was actualy a

wonderful reasonable person, who cared about us, and just wanted to create

the right situations to bring us to the Lotus feet of Lord Krsna.

 

> At the moment, simply being full of cynisam

 

cyn-ic (sin'ik) n.

1. a person who believes that only

selfishness motivates human actions and

who disbelieves in or minimizes selfless

acts or disinterested points of view.

 

I'm lucky here, because I believe in Srila Prabhupada who is surely

selflessness personified. Sorry, your wrong on that one. I aint no cynic, no

siree!

 

and the impuls to

> "beat the system on the head by any mean",

 

Beat the system! All I want is Prabhupads system in full, that means,

sankirtan, and varnasrama, Thats all, Calm down prabhu, please, no need to

start making insinuations.

 

that you can't

> discuss something concretely.

 

Can you define for me, 'discussing something concretely', I cant quite

understand what you mean, and how I am failing in it. Please elucidate.

 

All what happend, basically, was

> that "doing sankirtan in the temple" has been mentiomed, and there both

> you and Janesvara went "off" completely.

 

There you go again! Those naughty insinuations!

 

YS