How to start varnasrama

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> But who is forcing you to hit the doors of such a temple.

> > Remember, it was such a heroic act to even decide to join the temple of

> > the sect that enjoyed such a heavy public reputation of being extremely

> > fanatic and all that?

>

> Maybe we should put big signs, NO SUDRAS!.

 

Maybe. Sudras rally can screw it up, if you let them into

the temple, and they remain as sudras anyway. No a suitable

job for them. Just those horrifying brahminical activities.

Go modifying the temple to their nature.

 

Anyway. My point was that we forget ourselves, our initial

ideals, motivations, enthusiasm, courage, readiness on the

austerity, patience, tolerance... of the time when we made a

decision to live in the Hare Krsna temple. There were no surprises

what to be found there, really. And now, we are out, crying,

lamenting, full of bitterness, full of grudge and anger against

the authorities, and hankering for a "temple" where we could get

a job and the life "according to our natural inclinations".

 

 

 

>

> > So don't live in the temple, if you can't take it. That's all.

>

> Doesnt sound very compassionate to me prabhu. Sudras shouldnt even try to

> become Krsna Conscious by approaching Krsnas devotees?

 

Sounds very realistic. Don't live anywhere, if you cant't

take it there. Can't be said more simple than that.

 

 

If you already choose to make such clear distinctions according

to varna, then yes, accept that the temple is NOT the place for

sudras to live there. It is for brahmanas. That has nothing

to do with "compassion" or "no-compassion". That's a false

sentiment. Both you and Janesvara are lamenting so much that

the present temple life style does not suit to all varnas. You

want VAD. But VAD means no sudras getting training into any

brahminical activity. Forget it. NO book distribution for sudras.

NO learning Vedic knowledge.... So that later on they will not

lament how they were forced to do such brahminical activities.

OK, Srila Prabhupada gave the chance to sudras to get into

the temple, and into all these activities. But the *expectation*

is that you do NOT remain a sudra. If you remain, then you

cannot live in the temple, you will be frustraed and will make

distrurbance to others. And this is what does happen all the

time.

 

 

So make your mind what you want finally. You want VAD, you

find you are not a brahmana, then don't live in the temple.

Come on Sunday feasts, come to hear classes, talk to brahmanas,

come to see Deities, invite brahmans to home and feed them, and so

on. And do your profession for the maintenance of your family.

But don't start changing the VAD in the name of VAD. Don't expect

that the temple is to be reorganized on such a way to accommodate

sudras and brahmanas together. That will never work out.

 

You want a revolution of the present system. Here it is.

Only brahmanas to be living in the temple. Next circle for

ksatriyas. Next for vaisyas. And the fourth circle for sudras.

No mixing.

 

 

> I prefer Srila

> Prabhupadas idea of creating farm communities, where sudras and

> grihamedhis can actualy begin their spiritual life, by engaging their

> propensities in Krsnas dervice. That sounds like a positive alternative,

> and could even increase the preaching in areas where we have not yet done

> so.

 

You are telling us what you preferences are. That is OK. One day, I

am sure you will get such a place for you (see, I can be optimistic

and positive). But hold not your breath waiting the GBC to provide

you for such a place. But why did you move to Mauritius anyway?

You could go to Alachua. There devotees do not depend on the

GBC to organize their community. There is such a place that you

are hankering for.

 

 

 

> > ISCKON is to be seen much largely as the society. Not just a temple.

> > Stop expecting from the temples to be providing people the jobs

> > according to their natural inclinations and occupational duties.

>

> Sheesh, why ever did Srila Prabhupada tell us to set up those varnasrama

> colleges?

 

I guess, because it is clear that such institutions are needed.

Or what do you think, otherwise?

 

But do not misunderstand a temple for such an occupational

college. Really, do not expect that in the temple you got

to get training in plumbering or in shooting from a riffle

or in banking (in the spirit of KC and Vedas, certainly). And

then to get there the job there "in accordance to your nature".

I guess, that's why Prabhupada told us to set up "those varnasrama

colleges", after all -- not to mistake temple for such institutions.

Well, think the reasons for yourself. Not just some "sheesh".

 

 

 

- mnd