How to start varnasrama

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Janesvara Dasa wrote on 7.8.99

 

> Is it only single young men who come to the temple? Are they brahmanas by

> nature? Is there a program to counsel each new bhakta or bhaktin right

> from the beginning as to what their varna is?

 

Thankyou for the answer prabhu, I really apreciate your contribution to this

conference, although I do not always understand your way of thinking in this

regard, your steadfast determination to move things towards VAD are moving

"the engine" at least on this conference.

 

You are right, not only single young men are coming to our temples and nama

hata centers but mostly. Those who are maried are living already in their

own homes and just come to have asociation with devotees, have darshan of

the deyties, atain the classes in the temple and do some service in the

temple acording to their posibilities.

At least thats how its going on here in Timisoara.

 

> Are they brahmanas by nature?

 

Other question. Who settled the temple program in the way it is practiced in

the Iskcon temples worlwide, mangal arotika, tulasi worship, deity greeting

SB. class, diferent services during the day and evening BG class etc.

And why was it done like this by Prabhupada, only to make one into a

brahmana (proffesion) or in helping us to understand sadhana-bhakti and

advance spiritually?

 

> Is there a program to counsel each new bhakta or bhaktin right

> from the beginning as to what their varna is?

 

Is it so clear right from the beginning what particular varna someone is

in or is one rather full of false ego and covered by maya?

Did Srila Prabhupada not introduced his specific temple program to purify

one first a little bit of the many layers of this false ego before one can

actually see what specific varna one may be in.

When I first joind in 1985 at the NJNK farm I was convinced of so many

things about my actual nature, wich changed sometimes even acording to the

particular service I was doing. And I liked all of them because I liked to

serve Krsna and my spiritual master. I was doing agriculture and taking care

of the cows, I was helping in the kitchen, with the construction work on the

farm, for one year I was distributing books, then sold paintings to support

the temple for many years, than I was engaged in organizing the preaching in

Romania.

Ones I was convinced I am sudra, than a brahmana, than a vaisya, it took me

some time until I become satisfied and convinced about my nature. It is not

so easy I think.

What is your understanding of counseling in this regard?

 

> Student life is there for every young human according to their varna.

> ISKCON's present system is strictly brahmana training (or so-called) for

> every young single man. All of them are NOT brahmanas. This is not

> supported by scripture.

 

Than whose "fault" is it that ISKCON,s present system is like it is?

Was Prabhupada doing something against the scriptures?

 

Ys

Harsi das