How to start varnasrama

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> I guess a sudra, if expected to be a brahmin, would have a bit of a

> problem. But why put him in anxiety, let brahmins be brahmins, and sudras

> be sudras, add the other two, and presto! Problem solved. (Ok not all

> problems, but its the right direction).

 

Well, right, let sudras be sudras. Can't make him into a

brahmana by force. But if sudras (that live in the temple)

remain sudras in their habits, consciousness and the mentality

(that's what I clearly spoke about), then it creates the frictions

and the problems in the temple, and the life there becomes a hell.

 

The temple life-style is *expected* to be in the mode of

GOODNESS. Sudras, as well vaisyas and ksatriyas, are not

expected to be in that mode.

 

 

VAD system is organized on such a way that there is no

intimate mixing (like living together) of different varnas

that carry different gunas along.

You are for VAD. You are for divisions on classes. But as soon

as somebody agrees, "yes, let's actually divide on classes",

then you are lamenting, "Oh, doesn't sound very compassionate to

me prabhu."

 

The meaning of the word "class" carries it's heavies with.

It divides people into *higher* and *lower* levels. Different

circles. If you actually want VAD system, better be ready to

accept these bare facts.

 

 

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> Oops, how is it that you know so much more than Srila Prabhupada, or is

> this beating you on the head with Prabhupada quotes?

 

In all those quotes, Srila Prabhupada speaks about establishing

varnasrama colleges, the *institutions* where different varnas

got to get trained into their occupational duties. If I am not

mistaken.

 

Now, what does it mean? That the temple is supposed to become

such varnasrama college? I say NO, since Srila Prabhupada did

not say it, and since that would be not anymore a *temple* but

something else.

 

I could understand that a varnasrama college where the education

of *brahmanas*, for the sake of further training the other classes

elsewhere, would be possible to accommodate in the temple (at least

in the beginning). But all the different varnas with all the

different gunas, all to be trained into their particular occupation,

all in the temple...?

 

 

 

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> This proves, I think, that Prabhupada wanted a varnasrama college in every

> temple.

 

Why in every *temple*?? Srila Prabhupada wanted varnasrama colleges.

Yes. That's true. Yes, he says "Everywhere, wherever we have got our

center," But I don't understand why to insist that Prabhupada wanted

varnasrama college in every *temple*. He wanted it "everywhere".

There wherever we got our centers. Wherever the devotees are. Isn't

that just logical?

 

I don't know. We are shooting on taking over the world, but

then our vision can't reach further that some temple walls stand.

Everything got to be happening in there: the deity worship and all

the related activities, all the preaching activities, book production

and book distribution, varnasrama colleges with all the varna training,

living accommodation facilities, running businesses and money making,

establishing VAD, learning how to use the left hand and not the right

one when to wash the dirty parts of the body, and everything else.

 

 

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> You should write a book. Why not dilute all of these great ideas of yours,

> refuting my texts. Give us the knowledge straight, and those that want to

> develop your vision of Varnsrama can do so.

>

 

What you actually want from me is to stop commenting ("refuting")

your texts.

 

If I would be clapping on your shoulders "Excellently said,

Prabhu, exactly so. I admire to your dedication to Prabhupada's

instructions, and your uncompromising spirit to push his mission

forward in the right direction", then you would love me. But as

I am... better to get rid of such a "party-pooper".

Well, you become a moderator then. Or ask me honestly to stop

replying on your texts (I guess I'll do it anyway at one moment)

 

 

 

 

- mnd