Guest guest Posted October 13, 1999 Report Share Posted October 13, 1999 "COM: Dhyanakunda (dd) KKD (NE-BBT, Almvik - S)" wrote: > [Text 2694097 from COM] > > There is a lot in the Vedas which we do not follow. My standard > >is the Vedic toilet test: Do you use a flush toilet? I do and so do > >most devotees. But it is forbidden to pass stool or urine in water > >according to Manu Samhita. If we can't even pass the Vedic toilet test, > >it seems pretentious for us to pretend that we can directly follow other > >Vedic injunctions without going through Srila Prabhupada first. > > Thank you for this funny and vivid example. Still, I thank God we in the > modern cities (if we have to have them) do not pass the Vedic toilet test. > I guess in the times when the Manu-samhita was written, "water" meant > wells, ponds and rivers (from which others take water, bathe etc.) There > was plenty of forest and other places for leaving one's droppings, and > not so many of those who produced the droppings. > Sigh. > Ys dhkdd Actually, when it comes to the question of not passing stool and urine in water, there is a small but growing contingent of modern waste-management experts who would agree with Manu that water-borne sewage systems are still not such a great idea. So in this case, it might be ideal if we could follow Manu's standards for toilet functions. But the point is, to me at least, other things should have a greater priority. In general, I think the first priority should be how to offer Krsna only milk from protected cows in all His temples. Then, somewhere down the line comes more ecologically-sound toilets. I say, in general, cow protection should take precedence over composting toilets. But I do want to take the opportunity to note that many sewage and water systems around the world are at great risk due to Y2K. Banking firms and electric companies in advanced countries seem to be doing pretty well in keeping up with their computer conversion (at least according to the press, who may be lying to us). But the municipalities are another story. Some are good, and some, even in highly developed countries like the US, are very far behind. Already there was a spill last June in Van Nuys, California of 5 million gallons of raw sewage, when the Y2K conversion did not function properly. It will be amazing if we don't see more similar problems. I believe that water and sewage troubles will present big problems and even health hazards in many cities around the world, come January. Cities that are highly advanced and free from political corruption (which awards contracts like this on the basis of friendship rather than competence - China has already had a Y2K contract scandal) may be alright. Cities that are pretty backward, so that their electricity and water and sewage have never been computerized may also be alright. But cities that are in the middle range -- computerized, but sloppy in their administrative "housekeeping" -- may have some very serious problems. Every ISKCON temple needs to have on hand at least 5 gallons of water per person by January 1 -- if you start now, it's easiest at 1 gallon (2 liters) per week. You can put a couple *drops* of clorox into it to perserve it if you don't want to waste money on bottled drinking water. (Don't use recycled plastic milk jugs for drinking water.) I recommend that we all drink only bottled or boiled drinking water for the first week of January until we are sure that the municipal water supply has not accidentally become contaminated due to a breakdown in the computerized testing system. And, every ISKCON temple should have a plan of how to take care of human excrement, in case local sewage systems have to shut down for several days. My advice to mothers of small children is: buy extra disposable diapers and freshwipes now, and plan to relocate to the country for a week beginning the end of December if you don't want to risk having to deal with no sewage service with your kids. At least you can use an outhouse. If things turn out alright, you can return to the city by January 4. My advice to city temples is: don't waste money on chemical toilets. Just get use a 5 gallon bucket with a toilet seat on it for a toilet. And, yes, toilet paper - you won't want to waste water. You should cover the excrement *throroughly* with sawdust or bark mulch after each use. The carbon of the plant material will help absorb the nasty nitrogen scents from the excrement. Complete instructions are available in *The Humanure Handbook* by J.C. Jenkins. If done absolutely by the book, this method of composting heats up and detroys harmful pathogens so effectively that the compost can be used to grow vegetables. (Please see Prabhupada's "Kick out the West" quote.) If not done exactly by the book, it's still a better smelling option than just using a bucket. This is a solution which doesn't require a big investment. Just store a garbage can full of saw dust/dried leaves/or bark mulch for every 3 people in your temple. Then empty the buckets onto a compost heap or into garbage bags as they fill up. If January comes, and your city's sewage system continues to work - great, you can use the sawdust and bark mulch for landscaping around bushes and shrubs. If January comes and your sewage system does not work -- you'll be glad you planned for an alternative ahead of time. Will Y2K cause serious disruptions for your city? -- the odds may be that it won't. But -- speaking of the regulative principles -- gambling is against our vows of initiation, so I personally would not bet that it will be smooth sailing. Don't you bet on it either, be prepared -- just in case. your servant, Hare Krsna dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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