because the devotees really *are* proud and

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> few days ago, a 12 years experience sankirtaneer came to my city for

> december marathon, he tried to distribute some books to a girl and her

> friend

 

My daughter who was born and raised in New Vrindaban and spent 7 years in

boarding gurukula, has several times related to me stories of some 3 years

(whatever) in the movement brahmacari trying to distribute a book to her.

Usually, she is quite amused. She has never actually been harassed though,

will say that, but usually the story revolves around some level of unreality

or insular consciousness manifest by the book distributor.

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>Prabhu:

Pamho, agtSP

>Please, with all the respect I have for you, let me disagree with you on

this >point, if someone is first train properly on how to go on Sankirana,

instead of >sending *anyone* on distributing books, some things can change,

do you have an >idea, how many people can be burn by an unfriendly and proud

devotee?

 

I don't disgree with that, Mataji. I was just questioning whether Mother

Sraddha also thought that the devotees were *really* proud, or if perhaps

the nondevotees were being unfair in that judgement. Like sometimes people

would think that Srila Prabhupada was very falsely proud. But that was their

unfortunate mistake.

 

I agree that if we are neophyte devotees, proud and unfriendly, then we

cannot be compassionate and mercful toward others.

 

>.. he even rise his voice, and even that is true that this girl can go to

hell,

>that is not the way that we have to present the philosophy, Laura came home

and >asked me: even my mother never spoke me that way.

 

I understand. That is not the recommended way to preach

 

>>But what can we say of the destination of the mundane religionists? Where

>>will they go? Are you sure that their next birth won't be as mice or ants

in >>the church of their choice?

 

>That's depend on how do they really are sincere on following the commandments.

 

 

Yes, that is the essential point. It depends on whether or not they are

actually *following the principles* of their religious process. If so, they

will further advance, human life after human life (not mice or ants taken

birth in the church), until they go back to Godhead. At least that is my

understanding.

 

>Do you think that many ISKCON devotees will reach Vaikuntha loka being so

>proud?

 

Not at all. In Bg, Krsna describes pride as one of the demonic qualities.

 

>... he said that in studies about diferent religions, the people conclude

that >our philosophy was the best, but in social relationship from religious

group, >the Hare Krsna was the worse. So because of lack of understanding on

the >principle of TRINAD API SUNICENA TAROR API SAHISNUNA... because we

aren't >humble at all, or not enough, our great mission is quickly failing

 

You know I agree with that, Mataji. So, please kindly bless me to one day

develop these necessary qualities, the ornaments of the Vaisnava, so that I

may become useful to this great sankirtana mission.

 

Thank you very much, Mataji.

 

--gkd

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"COM: Sridhari (dd) JPS (Mendoza - ARG)" wrote:

 

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>

> >

> ...Do you think that many ISKCON devotees will reach Vaikuntha loka being so

> proud?

>

> How many devotees do you really know that practice

>

> VACO VEGAM MANASA KRODHA VEGAM, ....

>

> very very little, so because of the lack of training on behaviour, we

> (ISKCON) the best of the philosophies is being misrepresent all over the

> world. I remember last visit my GM in Santiago the Chile, he said that in

> studies about diferent religions, the people conclude that our philosophy

> was the best, but in social relationship from religious group, the Hare

> Krsna was the worse. So because of lack of understanding on the principle

> of

>

> TRINAD API SUNICENA TAROR API SAHISNUNA...

>

> because we aren't humble at all, or not enough, our great mission is

> quickly failing

>

> your servant, Sridhari devi dasi

 

Unfortunately, many of us follow the "revised" version of Lord Caitanya's

Siksasta prayers: "I may be lower than the straw in the street, but -- thank

God -- I'm better than any karmi!"

 

(I haven't heard yet whether the revised version actually works to get you back

to Godhead -- but at least it makes you feels good -- for the moment!)

 

your servant,

 

Hare Krsna dasi

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Hare Krsna dd wrote:

> Unfortunately, many of us follow the "revised" version of Lord Caitanya's

> Siksasta prayers: "I may be lower than the straw in the street, but --

thank

> God -- I'm better than any karmi!"

>

> (I haven't heard yet whether the revised version actually works to get

you back

> to Godhead -- but at least it makes you feels good -- for the moment!)

 

Dear Mataji:

pamho, agtSP

With all respect, may be you can clarify for me what do you mean by:

 

> (I haven't heard yet whether the revised version actually works to get

you back

> to Godhead -- but at least it makes you feels good -- for the moment!)

 

I don't understand it.

 

ys, Sridhari dd

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On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, COM: Sridhari (dd) JPS (Mendoza - ARG) wrote:

 

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>

> Hare Krsna dd wrote:

> > Unfortunately, many of us follow the "revised" version of Lord Caitanya's

> > Siksasta prayers: "I may be lower than the straw in the street, but --

> thank

> > God -- I'm better than any karmi!"

> >

> > (I haven't heard yet whether the revised version actually works to get

> you back

> > to Godhead -- but at least it makes you feels good -- for the moment!)

>

> Dear Mataji:

> pamho, agtSP

> With all respect, may be you can clarify for me what do you mean by:

>

> > (I haven't heard yet whether the revised version actually works to get

> you back

> > to Godhead -- but at least it makes you feels good -- for the moment!)

>

> I don't understand it.

>

> ys, Sridhari dd

>

 

I'm just joking, Prabhu. I hope you did not take this seriously. Some

people feel good just because they think they are superior to someone

else. Thus some of us are pleased to feel superior to the so-called

"karmis." But, actually, these feeling of superiority are contrary to the

mood of Lord Caitanya, and they don't help us on the road back to Godhead.

 

Is that more clear for you now?

 

your servant,

 

Hare Krsna dasi