Guest guest Posted December 31, 1999 Report Share Posted December 31, 1999 > By his practical example, our Founder/Acarya demonstrated that it a woman > can become a brahmana without a brahmana father or husband. I think he proved that a woman can become "brahminical" not necessarily a brahmana by varna title. This would mean that the woman was by nature influenced by the modes of goodness as a result of her past lifes karma. > When Srila Prabhupada says that the woman has the same varna as her > husband, that should be taken as a general principle and not an absolute > to cover every single circumstance, because Srila Prabhupada himself > demonstrated repeatedly that a woman could become a brahmana without a > brahmana husband. With due respect and honesty this just does not sound fully accurate. Prabhupda demonstrated that women can attain brahminical qualities but this again I think anyway is different than being a "brahmana" by title. I am not wanting to withhold any honorific for which a woman is rightly due but in regards to how a Vedic culture would train and exemplify womens roles we must look at the way they did it throughout the scriptures. Is there any guru in the scriptures who has recommended women become anything other than Vaisnava wives and mothers? Whether we are there now or not our future training must be in line with this if we are truly interested in preserving the Vedic cultural standards. Its not like we are trying to hurt women are we? Is the Vedic culture denying women anything? Do we fully trust and believe in the Vedic culture? I am not a Vedic ksatriya, but I would not want to be trained in any other way because I know my nature according to the Vedic knowledge. I would only be cheating myself if I denied it and claimed to be a big brahmana or something else I am not. On a material basis the body I received due to my karma is "inferior" for certain material facilities like a brahmanas peacefulness and happiness. I can fully admit this and accept it. But the body I have is EQUALLY capable of becoming a Vaisnava pure devotee as that of the brahmana. This is all I really care about. The same, I feel, goes for the womens bodies. For some reason Sri Caitanya did not allow his devotees with womens bodies to approach close to Him. He showed by example that there is "bodily discrimination" that must be respected by even the greatest personalities. He also did not allow people like me to approach close to Him because of the bodily things ksatriyas have to be involved with. I accept this fully. I would gladly line up BEHIND the devotee women to offer my obeisances to the Lord from a distance. He is still very close to me in my heart and I KNOW that. But I still want to be honest with myself in order that I am training myself properly to become purified so I can one day become a hair on the butt of one of the horses of Sri Arjunas chariot on the battlefield of Kurukshetra so I can see Krsna and Arjuna talking and fighting. I do not care if I am a ksatriya, brahmana, sudra, woman, or candala. But whichever I am by my own karma let me receive the proper training to become a pure devotee of the Lord and do not let me pretend to be something else and waste an entire birth. Respectfully, Janesvara dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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