Guest guest Posted November 10, 1999 Report Share Posted November 10, 1999 Haribol prabhus, PAMHO AGTSP All glories to the devotees who genuinely celebrate Govardhana Puja and Go Puja on this auspicious day. Hare Krsna dasi wrote as part of a very informative and upsetting piece: 9. In March 1998, the COW conference posted the following letter from Radha Krsna (das) ACBSP (GB) March 17, 1998 6:10 AM [Text 1171506] Before I left for India I had a report from Daiva Dina Dayal in Innisrath, Ireland. He told me the cows were sick and he wanted to see to them. On my last two days or so he arrived in India and gave me more details: He said these animals needed attention to: lice, ringworm, foot-trimming attention causing lameness, arthritis, due to lying on cold damp concrete, and overweight problems; because these animals or some of them are from another higher region where the animals survive on much poorer pasture than where they are at present and have been allowed unrestricted grazing. He had left one boy there in charge for the time being, but his recommendation was that if the temple do not want to allocate a permanent person or persons to look after the cows properly they should give them to another temple. What do you think the next move should be? *** In April, Pragosh prabhu responded to the complaints*** 15 Apr 98 07:45 +0000 [Text 1243861 from COM] "COM: Pragosh (das) SDG (IRL) I have been part of the Irish yatra for the last 15 years and want to make 2 points regarding the cow programme on Inis Rath. 1/ None of the present devotees at Inis Rath had anything to do with the initiation of the cow programme there. They have simply inherited it from previous management. 2/ Over the last few years, as Manu prabhu mentioned, a considerable amount of effort and laxmi has gone into improving the conditions there for the cows. New yard and gosala etc. Such things cost a lot of laxmi - real and genuine blood, sweat and tears are sacrificed in the endeavour to get that laxmi together. It is not so difficult to come along after, ignorant of the history, and start passing judgement on the situation, using as a comparison the ideal, picture perfect situation for Krsna's cows. Finally I would just like to say that whatever problems may or may not be prevalent at Inis Rath that they pale into insignificance when compared to the problems regarding the cows at Mayapur, Murari Sevaka, and New Vrindavana among others. ***Two points to note about Pragosh prabhu's entry: 1) Implication that most problems at Inis Rath were due to previous poor management, and 2) the fact that as early as April 1998, Murari Sevaka was already regarded as a trouble spot for cow protection by authorities such as himself.*** I would like to comment on this. Firstly no cow abuse pales into insignificance because it's unacceptable - full stop. Although I personally know and respect both Manu, Pragosh and all devotees here. The facts are maybe correct in some ways as were presented, but other facts are clearly not presented. Whereas Radha Krsna prabhu and Daiva Dina Dayal prabhu were correct about the apparent lacks, I don't feel that either devotee were familiar with the situation to make a fair comment, and therefore feel that the devotee community has been somewhat misled on these issues. The facts are as follows: 1. There were no farmers at Govindadvipa, some people tried to look after the animals but failed. I honestly think that the cow programme was badly failing, but it was through ignorance of their needs etc. 2. For years myself and husband had given programmes for grazing, etc. to the community but it was not followed out in a strict management system, but sentiment gave way to logic. Hence there were hoof problems and weight problems because people felt it was cruel to keep them in all winter, and there was problems with manpower to feed them. (I know all the arguments about if we can find time to feed ourselves etc. I'm not defending, just clarifying facts) 3. After several requests and very difficult meetings with devotees here, myself and husband agreed to give up our smallholding and move here. It was a difficult move, traumatic and very problmatic for us. This is not an easy place to just come and move into, it's difficult to stay here and be a committed member of this community. 4.When we did finally get ourselves partially sorted out, (we didn't have any permanent accommodation etc. and for income I had to work, which meant my husband was moving house, looking after my children, and trying to look after the cows and bring the relationships between devotees to the stage whereby they could and would continue to support cow protection ) we started with the basics, such as daily feeding, and we did treat for ring-worm, but didn't have facilities to properly sort out the sheds because there was no cow money. We also had to change certain things, which we don't agree with, such as the selling of silage to local farmers, or the trading of fodder for cutting services etc. This no longer happens. 5. We decided to take a trip to India with the family for three weeks before we fully committed to this programme because there were difficulties and we needed to think things out, because it is a huge commitment. By the way, it was not a fly by night lets do India again programme either, it was our first trip after a long time scraping and saving, and relenting not to go due to land and service commitments. My husband is a highly responsible devotee and has been distributing books, doing Pujari work, and rearing fine devotee chilren for 25 years. Twenty of them spent on the land, and indeed he is known practically as the only farmer who has ever really worked any ISKCON farm in Ireland. He is steady in his sadhana and is a sincere devotee. We had cared for a considerable amount of animals before we moved back here, and indeed cared for this herd when the cowherd went to other programmes, as far back as 1982. No animal ever died unnaturally due to neglect in our care, not even a chicken except through natural causes! 6.On going to India, we couldn't get anyone to feed the cows, and paid someone who was resident here to feed them, and asked that they would be checked, and this at a stage when we were not commited to taking full responsibility. We did this mainly because we had goats, and a family cow which we wanted to ensure were looked after. We would not have gone if we thought anything would happen to our own animals let alone any others which were not our total responsibility. 7. On our return, the person had left (as so many people have done, a steady crew has been the main reason of any neglect or ignorance here, as it has consistantly changed since ISKCON POLITICS entered the emerald isle). Instead Davia Dina Dayal, himself a devotee who stayed but such a short while and generally not highly involved in trying to get anything sustainable going here, although a very nice and concerned devotee at that, was here and had taken commendably so, responsibility for the cows. He continued to work with the cows for a short time, and then left. In that time, we tried to learn what we could about hoof-care from him, and we left him to it while we got ourselves sorted, he obviously knew what he was doing. 8. When we finally got sorted, and following the departure of DDD prabhu, we took over responsibility since. The hoof care is a problem, but I'm enrolled on a course to solve this, we have half a crush made, and we have no over-weight cows. Also we demanded that the temple put money from our land sale into cow-protection and this was done. We have been constantly struggling against years of neglect and lack of knowledge. 9. Radha Krsna prabhu did come to Ireland to a one day Varnashrama Seminar and stayed here a day or two. He spoke with my husband as I was working at the time. From my recollection of the day, which was cut short so people could escape the waves on the lake, when Radha Krsna spoke, it was not about cow protection, but about his toilet and his book. In fact that is all I remember him talking about. To me, it may be a vital part of varnashrama from his point of view, but to become an authority on our land and our crisis is not realistic. Neither is Daiva Dina Dayal's, because they were in transit, like all the other people who came to be the cow saviours of Ireland. This is really my point, it didn't take these two individuals to let us know the problems, but they certainly were not so committed to become part of the solution, at least here. We have had neglect. Honestly if you were to see our cow report you'd know that we're not blind about this, and we work bloody hard all day, we still have problems! It boils down to damage control and gradually upgrading an inherited problem in a responsible and sustainable way. We are well below the standards, I can admit that and I am a cowherder. But this is not going to get fixed overnight and no neglect that we can avoid is allowed. If we can't get it done by temple laxmi, my family do without. If we can't get someone to build it, then we try our hand at it ourselves. If we can't get someone to feed them, then we don't leave. And if we can't get constructive help, then please spare us the heresay of not fully informed transient devotees, no matter what their good intentions are. We need a little more than good intentions. If our statement of reality concerning the known levels of 'failure' that still exists shocks anyone, so be it. But we have made a lot of personal sacrifices to take this on, and I might say even reluctantly so because we know that nobody else probably will. And finally, I will defend nobody else in connection to this. We still don't have any cow monies as such, and we still have an uphill struggle. But these cows are loved, respected, utilised - all but our older untrained ox which I haven't gotton too far with, and their health is generally good. The hooves will always be a problems which means we gain the skills to do something about it. The temple are slowly beginning to understand what it is to have cows, but it is very slow because we don't have farmers yet, and we'll see if there ever will be. In nine years approximately only one cow has calved and that is my own family cow, who will remain in our life long care, and the off-spring is being trained and cared for. Cows have died, devotees misguided, some even uninterested, but since all the details of Murari Sevaka etc. are coming out, please be accurate with all facts, and then print or publicise. I don't care about the publicity but the truth should be printed and not single sided versions. I don't defend the neglect of years, indeed I am horrified and have very stongly condemmed it myself. So please print the truth, in all the details because it takes more than making a few cow-patties on a goshalla wall to maintain cow protection, especially since the report was initially sent with such a wealth of knowledge and authority. I can only ask why these enlightened devotees didn't communicate this with the devotees here, question them and God forbid, they may have even offered some solutions or guidelines before blasting the yatra from a distance. As it has been pointed out that this Murari Sevaka was a known problem then, why was there no action taken, it was very obvious that alarm bells were ringing out for us in Ireland. Why are these farms allowed to continue to breed if they have a track record of abuse, neglect and 'missing' cows? Should there not be a ban imposed on the breeding and enforced as there seems little point in GBC passing laws such as the cow protection one, if nobody takes any notice of them? ys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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