Guest guest Posted December 1, 1999 Report Share Posted December 1, 1999 At 8:30 -0800 12/1/99, COM: Isvara (das) GGS (Vrindavana - IN) wrote: > >Actually I did not mean to insult her. It is just >the tone of her message that are very much in line of Madhusudani Radha that >prompted me to write that. Judging from the contents of that text, it looks >she is on the borderline of loosing faith in Krishna consciousness or Vedic >culture. Thank you for your concern. However, my faith in Krsna, Prabhupada and the original vedic culture is as strong as ever. My only heart-break and disappointment is in the things I've seen in our beloved India which do *not* live up to those standards. And from the recent texts by other devotees who have lived in India for many years, what I saw, doesn't seem to be exceptions. I *don't want to* see meat eating, alcoholism, domestic violence, adultery, corruption etc. in this wonderful place. I want it to be a country where I can go to forget those things and be inspired in my Krsna Consciousness. That's why I'm trying to do something about it and in the process I've actually been able to do some preaching too - certainly much more than I can do when conducting my work here in the US. For example, my Indian colleagues become ashamed and embarrassed to eat meat and often change their orders in the restaurants to which they take me when they hear that I'm a vegetarian. And they love it when I (a blond blue-eyed Westerner) quote the Bhagavad Gita to make some point in my presentations. Indian porfessionals who invite us over to help them look up to us Western experts. I know it's unwarranted, but if I can take advantage of that to help them appreciate Krsna more - I don't mind taking advantage. Hope that makes things clearer. We're really on the same side here. Ys, Madhusudani dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 1999 Report Share Posted December 1, 1999 > It is just > the tone of her message that are very much in line of Madhusudani Radha > that prompted me to write that. Judging from the contents of that text, it > looks she is on the borderline of loosing faith in Krishna consciousness > or Vedic culture. Can we at least start getting it together that Anantarupa das is not "she"? I mean, it's starting getting funny. You can't judge from the contents of that text even that much, but you think you are qualified to publicly judge the person's faith in Krsna. > This issue is leading to the blaspheming of Srila > Prabhupada and the erosion of faith in Vedic culture, by all these devotee > feminists. I think this issue is (hopefuly) leading to introduction of teddy bears in ISCKON. You know, if one has one, one can talk to him, preach to him, tell him how she is a feminist or a blasphemer of Prabhupada, tell him that her faith in God is on the borderline, kick him into rear end,... and much more and much more (depending on one's particular intuition, creativity, realizations of KC). > Feminist issue in our movement is a big cancer that needs to be > taking very seriously Too late. It's already big, looks like? Just see what they are doing to us there in Vrndavana. > Bir Krishna Maharaja, the GBC chairman was > very quick in passing jugdement on Vrindavana incident but did nothing > about the blaspheming of Srila Prabhupada being portrayed by the ISKCON > devotee feminists. What did I say? It has gone off the control already. Mahananidhi DAS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 1999 Report Share Posted December 5, 1999 Hare Krsna, Please accept my humble obeisances, all glories to Srila Prabhupada. I don't like to get involved too much in all this stuff, but this statement below, that what caused Srila Prabhuapda to verbalize comments about women's liberation has nothing to do with what is going on in ISKCON, is very very short-sighted and, from my perspective, totally wrong. Did you know, Madhava Gosh prabhu, that there has been, at least once (I have no doubt that it's happened since) an abortion AUTHORIZED by a temple commander ( in New York, 1978-1980) because he got a young lady pregnant, then decided he wasn't going to marry her? That man is my husband's cousin......I will say no more to reveal his identity......but we should not be so naive and stupid to think that women being unchaste, giving up their shyness, being without faith to ONE husband (or one protector.....granted, not every women will be married, due to so many diverse situations) does not lead to their being exploited on every level. One can argue back and forth, about the position of women, should they be allowed to be acarya's, do everything men do, etc. But the recommendations of the scriptures are they.....if we keep them as guidelines, that is best....that is not to say that guidelines are never transgressed....but for the most part they have to be carefully observed. I notice a topic of discussion, "The GHQ want women acarya's"......the very word "acarya" comes from the Vedas. Are they looking to mold their acarya's after the pages of the vedas, women such as Gandhari, Draupadi, Mata Kunti? Otherwise, as I see it, the very concept of the word "acarya" is destroyed. Well, I have to keep this short. Hare Krsna. Mahalakmsi Dasi - COM: Madhava Gosh (das) ACBSP (New Vrindavan - USA) <Madhava.Gosh.ACBSP (AT) bbt (DOT) se> COM: DMW (Dharma of Men and Women) <DMW (AT) bbt (DOT) se>; COM: India (Continental Committee) Open (Forum) <India.Open (AT) bbt (DOT) se>; COM: Varnasrama development <Varnasrama.development (AT) bbt (DOT) se>; COM: Basu Ghosh (das) ACBSP (Baroda - IN) <Basu.Ghosh.ACBSP (AT) bbt (DOT) se> Thursday, December 02, 1999 6:49 AM Re: The Mercy of Mother Saraswati > [Text 2830651 from COM] > > > > "COM: Rasa Rasika (dd) IDS (Sarajevo - BiH)" wrote: > > > [Text 2824673 from COM] > > > > Dear Vaisnavas and Vaisnavis > > PAMHO, AGTSP! > > > > Could anyone please explain what do you mean by feminism in our movement. As > > far as I remember, Srila Prabhupada stated that feminism was invented by man > > intending to abuse women. So, what kind of feminism we are talking about? > > > > Your servant, > > Rasa Rasika dasi > > Just see, an intelligent question. > > The feminism of the late 60s and early 70s that Srila Prabhupada was exposed to > was largely percieved to be of sexual liberation, with abortion and free sex > promenient features. That is the type of feminisn Srila Prabhupada was > refering > to. Equal opportunity in the workplace is another thing, equally access to > Krsna another. > > The feminism Srila Prabhupada generated all those quotes over has little > relevance to what is going on in ISKCON. > > (Sorry, boys, I'm back) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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