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> > " But what is vedic anyway, the other day I was

> > reading for example that the culture of the woman wearing saris was

> > introduced by the muslims in India, so another conception of something

> > being vedic gone."

>

> Such a neat surgical amputation of a "seemingly Vedic custom", are you

> really sure about your information? Then Srimati Radharani and the

> asta-sakhi's of Goloka Vrndavana are under "Muslim influence", in that

> they wear sari's? Sari's aren't Vedic my dear nephew, they're the eternal

> dress of the spiritual realm..the Vedic culture means to move as far as

> possible to the full spiritual identity and life of the eternal soul, on

> the mundane plane.

 

I was reading recently this statements by some devotees:

 

> There is a lot of references recently about wearing sari. Sari is a muslim

> invention. Hindus adopted it from them.

 

and:

 

> In traditional Indian paintings that I saw women dress consists of: choli,

> skirt and a long transparent shawl covering (or not) the head and the rest

> of the body. Does anybody know how such dress is called? I am wondering

> wheather Draupadi was wearing that kind of dress or standard sari that we

> all know...

> And, what is the connection between covered head and chastity according to

> the Vedic understanding?

 

> ...I suggest a little more hesitancy before making a

> > flat statement like, "so another conception of something Vedic

> > gone"...........as they say, "count to ten", then speak, something I'm

> > still trying to perfect.

> >

> > your well wisher and uncle,

> > Dina Sharana d.

 

Sorry for me being sometimes too provocative, I will follow your advise and

try to improve my writing behaviours.

 

Sincerely,

yours

Harsi das

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> Sari's aren't Vedic my dear nephew, they're the eternal dress of the

> spiritual realm..the Vedic culture means to move as far as possible to the

> full spiritual identity and life of the eternal soul, on the mundane

> plane.

 

Sari (a Hindi word) acording to my dictionary, - a skillfully wraped garment

of the indian lady, <sanskrit - sati.

 

Srila Prabhupada is translating this word only once as meaning cloth, in the

SB.9.9.7 in the vers:

 

dharayisyati te vegam

rudras tv atma saririnam

yasminn otam idam protam

visvam sativa tantusu

 

....sati--a cloth; iva--as; tantusu--in threads.

 

"Like a cloth woven of threads extending for its length and breadth, this

entire universe, in all its latitude and longitude, is situated under

different potencies of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Lord Siva is the

incarnation of the Lord, and thus he represents the Supersoul in the

embodied soul. He can sustain your forcefull waves on his head." (Ganga)

 

Other times he translates sati as meaning chaste, chastity, faithfull woman,

virtuous lady. Maybe this has also something to do with the woman wearing

the sati or sari.

 

In SB.8.8.41-46 the chapter about the apearance of Mohini-murti

he translates the word, viraja ambara--very clean cloth and in the

translation of the vers as: Her body was decorated with a clean sari.

 

SB.8.9.16-17...usat-dukula--dressed with a very beautiful sari

SB.8.12.18 ...dukula--by a sari

Her hips were covered with a shining sari and ornamented with a belt.

SB.8.12.21 ...dukulam--the sari.

As she played with the ball, the sari covering Her body became loose.

 

SB.10.9.3 ...ksauman--saffron and yellow mixed; vasah--mother Yasoda was

wearing such a sari.

 

Madhya lila 8.168

After her midday bath Radharani takes another bath in the nectar of bodily

luster, and She puts on thr garment of shyness, which is exactly like a

black silk sari.

....Thus there are three baths in different kinds of water, Radharani then

puts on two dresses - a lower and upper dress, the upper dress is Her

atachment for Krsna, and the lower dress is Her shyness. That lower portion

is compared to a blackish silk garment or a bluish sari,

and Her upper garment is pinkish. That pink garment is Her affection and

attraction for Krsna.

 

Room conversation with Prof. Cambridge. Bombay 18.9.1973

 

Prabhupada: We dont try to convert. Just like one gentlemen was asking "Why

these ladies, girls, they are putting indian sari?" I never said that "you

do that." But they are doing out of their own accord. So I never canvassed

to become a Hindu, or like that, no, our propaganda is "Just become God

conscious"

 

Letter to Madhavalata dd. "It would be nicer if you can put on sari, you can

learn it from......You must remain like a nice girl. The dress and

appearance is social convention of society."

 

> << How do you explain about "sari" or "saris" being mentioned in Srila

> Prabhupada's books which are all dealing with events that took place long

> time before Muslims even existed?

 

> Could be a different kind of sari. I was told that the original sari was

> worn with a tail in the back like a man's dhoti.>

> Ys, Mahatma dasa, in the Topical Discussions conference.

 

I had nothing to do this afternoon so I took the time to search the Vedabase

a little bit, hope you enjoyed reading the references about sari, Krsna and

Radharani and from Srila Prabhupada.

 

Ys, Harsi das

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> Your sane comments are like fresh breezes in what is becoming a very

> inhospitable and parched ISKCON cultural atmosphere.

>

> Thanks.

>

> ys. JMd

 

Prayer of St-Francis

 

Lord, make me an instrument of your Peace.

where there is hatred, let me sow love

where there is injury, pardon

where there is doubt, faith

where there is despair, hope

where there is darkness, light

where there is sadness, joy!

 

O Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek

to be consoled as to console;

to be understood as to understand;

to be loved as to love.

 

For it is in giving that we receive,

it is in pardoning that we are pardoned,

and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.

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> Very nice, thank you Harsi prabhu....I printed it out and taped to my

> desk,....is this not the mood of Sri Panca-tattva and Their followers? Yet

> only by cleansing the heart does it become possible.

>

> Prayer of St-Francis

>

> Lord, make me an instrument of your Peace.

> where there is hatred, let me sow love

> where there is injury, pardon

> where there is doubt, faith

> where there is despair, hope

> where there is darkness, light

> where there is sadness, joy!

>

> O Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek

> to be consoled as to console;

> to be understood as to understand;

> to be loved as to love.

>

> For it is in giving that we receive,

> it is in pardoning that we are pardoned,

> and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.

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