Attack On VAD is Due to Rascal Men and Unqualified Brahmanas

[Guest guest]

> Even a

> philosopher and writer of many books on religious principles may also accept

> an exalted post in a government which denies all the moral codes of the

> sastras. The brahmanas are specifically restricted from accepting such

> service. But in this age they will not only accept service, but they will do

> so even if it is of the meanest quality. These are some of the symptoms of

the

> Kali age which are harmful to the general welfare of human society.

>

> SB 1.16.22

>

> (End of quoted text)

 

Like Rupa and Sanatana Goswamis. Welcome to Kali Yuga.

 

>

>

> We shouldn't blame the women, Guru-Krishna. They're not the problem. We are.

> It is specifically stated here that due to the circumstance of being

exploited

> and neglected, women try to become independent. The burden of responsibility

> falls upon the shoulders of the men. What is the world coming to if the men,

> who have failed in their duties, declare that the fault lies with the ones

> they are supposed to protect - e.g., women, children, and brahmanas? What

does

> it mean if the brahmanas, who should seek to correct the character of the

> errant men of society who are doing this damage, instead turn their

criticisms

> solely against the women?

 

Misguided idealism.

 

>

>

> Personally, I think it better for us to concentrate on our fellow men when it

> comes to the question of reform. When women see that the men are truly their

> protectors, instead of their exploiters, abusers, offenders, etc., there will

> be no more so-called disturbance from ‘feminism' and other things.

 

That's the conclusion I've come to .

[Guest guest]

> > Personally, I think it better for us to concentrate on our fellow men

> > when it comes to the question of reform. When women see that the men are

> > truly their protectors, instead of their exploiters, abusers, offenders,

> > etc., there will be no more so-called disturbance from ‘feminism' and

> > other things.

 

I believe that BOTH groups need work simultaneously! YOu can't teach the men

"protect these chaste shy women" while they are saying "We don't need you we

can protect ourselves" Doesn't work out.

 

It would seem that for our generation it is almost too late. But, if we were

to start teaching the children in gurukula how to behave toward each other,

they MIGHT HAVE A CHANCE!!

 

Teach the boys how to respect and revere the girls, and the women that they

marry, that they will have happy households if this is so. Teach the girls

how to dress in a fitting manner for a girl, not to act improper, and to

respect her husband who is worthy and spiritual, and devoted to Krsna.

 

You can teach a girl that she can preach, and any other service fitting of a

devotee. In addition, there should not be any problem with teaching our

devotee girls how to find their protector, their husband to help them. There

should not be any problem teaching these children the duties and benefits of

serving each other as devotees and making Krishna the center.

 

If we cannot agree amongst ourselves, then so be it. We are old and jaded.

So, why don't we give our children the benefit of learning from our

mistakes, and teach them appropriately, boys AND girls together? Any

objections?

 

Thank you all for your consideration. I tried to stick to guru-sastra-sadhu,

and I hope that I suceeded, as I have but a speck of knowledge.

 

Hare Krsna,

your willing servant,

Jayasri devi dasi

[Guest guest]

On Tue, 22 Dec 1998, WWW: Pancha Tattva Dasa (Alachua FL - USA) wrote:

 

''We shouldn't blame the women, Guru-Krishna. They're not the problem. We are.

 

Since this and other comments on that "attack on v-d" text have been Cc'd to

me, I'll now briefly explain that I had sent that quote to DMW only.

Although it seems perfectly suitable to these conferences, I did not send it

here, because I am not d here. No one need read between the lines

of that text and speculate as to my intentions in sending it to DMW (what to

speak of here, since I did not send it here). However, should anyone want to

pursue discussions with me personally, you are cordially invited to do so

either on DMW or with me directly.

Thank you very much. Hoping you are well, I remain humbly

endeavoring to become

 

your servant in service to ISKCON,

Guru-Krsna das (HDG)

*dharmo-rakshati rakshitaha*

[Guest guest]

Pnca Tattva prabhu wrote:

 

> We shouldn't blame the women, Guru-Krishna. They're not the problem. We

> are. It is specifically stated here that due to the circumstance of being

> exploited and neglected, women try to become independent. The burden of

> responsibility falls upon the shoulders of the men. What is the world

> coming to if the men, who have failed in their duties, declare that the

> fault lies with the ones they are supposed to protect - e.g., women,

> children, and brahmanas? What does it mean if the brahmanas, who should

> seek to correct the character of the errant men of society who are doing

> this damage, instead turn their criticisms solely against the women?

>

> Personally, I think it better for us to concentrate on our fellow men when

> it comes to the question of reform. When women see that the men are truly

> their protectors, instead of their exploiters, abusers, offenders, etc.,

> there will be no more so-called disturbance from ‘feminism' and other

> things.

 

Thank you for your very nice and appropriate quote, and for the conclusions

you have drawn from it. I agree with you 100 %.

 

Your servant,

Jatukarnya das

 

PS: I added Guru-krsna as a receiver of your text, since he is not a member

of this forum.