The fly goes for the sore.

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>> "Still India, so fallen, you... 95% people, living, husband and wife,

very

>> peacefully. And in the Western countries after six months' marriage,

>> divorce." (May 14, 1975 Perth)

>

>

>Dear Krsna Kirti, if you really wish to demonstrate to everybody

>that Srila Prabhupada is *holding up* (The Simple Continuos Tense

>being used here) how all Indian couples are to be our role models

>now,

 

Where, personally, have I said *all*? Second of all, it is too bad you wish

to view Srila Prabhupada's statements as so relative. OK, yes, things have

changed in India since Srila Prabhuapada has been here, so now how do you

want to view the statement, 85% of the people? 80%?

 

Certianly, this term 95% is being used by Srila Prabhupada in the sense of

"most Indians", or "most all Indians", and my experience in India for six

years (and not in place like Vrindavan or Mayapura, where westerner devotees

have facility to avoid or minimize their contact with the locals) is that

this statement of Srila Prabhupada is still true.

 

I would have to ask you this: what is your experience in India?

 

>Point is, you

>can't simply grab for such a relative quote from some past and keep

>"proving" how, "See, this confirms the present social situation.

>Prabhupada is saying". No. Prabhupada is not saying.

 

It's too bad you think that things in India must somehow or other be like

the west: atmavat manyate jagat, one thinks all others to be like himself.

Certainly, it is Kali-yuga in India too, but still, and my personal

experience, and the experience of others, like Basu Ghosh Prabhu, who has

spent that last 25 years in India (and also, in a place where he cannot

avoid Indians), that still, most Indians, with regard to marriage, are quite

sober. Certainly the institution of marriage (like all other institutions),

even in India, has deteriorated, but not to the point where it has, as you

and others seem to claim, nullified Srila Prabhupada's general statements

regarding the institution of marriages in India. The above quote by Srila

Prabhupada is still quite true.

 

>It's nice to read

>what he said and understand that his lasting message to us was to

>strive for a peieceful marriage and without divorce.

>

Yes, I agree with you here. But in the name of taking Srila Prabhupada's

words as relative, and no longer applicable today, you miss out on seeing

good examples.

 

 

>When we observe what's currently happening with the particular

>society, taking some SP's quotes from a quarter of a century ago

>as our present "bookmarks" is hopeless. The India of nowadays is a

>place of a big mess, more or less like the rest of the world.

 

India is in a big mess, but what has caused that? Besides the fact that it

is, Kali-yuga there have been hundreds of years of invasions by foreign

nations, all of whom have been, litterally, hell-bent on discrediting and

destroying Vedic culture. The Muslim invasion, the occupancy of the British

especially, has done considerable damage to Vedic India.

 

>Watch

>out not to step on a stool or get stubbed by a knife when walking in

>dark. In Mayapur, the naive Western devotees wisitors (esspecially

>girls!) are better to be adviced not to step otside the gates in

>evening.

 

That is Vedic cultre, women are not go unprotected, period. The problem is

women don't want that protection. In the west, women carry mace, guns, etc.

And that is called "social progress"?

 

>You simply can't expect from a woman grown in

>the West to not dare to go for a divorce option even under the

>circumstances when her man brings her some venereal disease picked

>out on the street from the prostitutes, or beats her black&blue, or is

>even planing to set her on a fire.

 

This is a case of the fly always going for the sore. To avoid seeing the

good examples, you have to mention, ad-nauseum, the bad things that happen,

as if this was the standard behaviour of Indians in general.

 

It seems you would like to avoid seeing good examples before your eyes,

altogether.

 

>But nevertheless, if even the chastity of the Vedic women of

>India don't help India even an inch to get rid of one percent of the

>social problems that India is drowning in, then what is for us, the

>Western falk, to look upon?

 

And here it is, the whole reason to try and show that Srila Prabhupada's

statements are no longer applicable, etc., is that you DON'T want to see

good examples. The fly goes for the sore.

 

You will have to answer yes to the below question, in order to support your

above rhetorical question:

 

"Do you think most Indian couples, even today, have sober marriages?"

 

A simple "yes" or "no" will do.

 

ys KKdas