Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 > > You said that the payment of the fair price eliminates the bad karma. Then it was misunderstanding. The payment of the fair price eliminates the flow of personal karma from the first owner to the next, unlike to accepting charity. But didn't I already explained what I meant? > The > market price is not the fair price. Part of the price is paid for with > the blood of the cow, and that is not fair. I was all the time under impression that we were referring rather to general karma principles in case of charity versus trade. ------------------------- OK. Now it is the "blood milk". Not "acceptance of money or food". Well, here we deal with opinions. You think that purchasing one liter of milk in a store is a sinful activity, even if offered to Krsna (perhaps then is double sinful). I am not dictating the market price. I come to buy my liter of milk, and I pay what I was asked. From my side, that is a fair payment. If the price would be double, I would still pay. Get on the case of sinful farmers who kill their calves and old cows, not on the case of milk consumers who pay the asked price for the milk. > The fair price would include > the cost of raising both the cow who gave the milk and her calf to a ripe > old age. That is fair. And then I would agree with your premise that > paying the fair price eliminates the karma. It would be really foolish to think that simply paying a fair price for anything (not only milk) eliminates the karma. Please don't say that this is my premise. Such premise would be nothing but foolishness. What eliminates karma is the act of sacrifice. Otherwise, it is either karma or vikarma. So, shall I next time when buying my liter of milk leave extra 4 svenska kronor to a shopkeeper, in order to free myself from the crime of not paying the "fair price"? If that is what means paying fairly for the goods. What about everything else that is on market? Nothing is of "fair price" in this world, if you really want to split the hears. But paying the market price, that what asked, is what I consider paying fairly for goods. It's not charity, nor it is stealing. It's a fair trade. And it's all still -- karma. The materialistic activities. - mnd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 1999 Report Share Posted July 29, 1999 > > > So, shall I next time when buying my liter of milk leave extra > 4 svenska kronor to a shopkeeper, in order to free myself from > the crime of not paying the "fair price"? If that is what means > paying fairly for the goods. What about everything else that > is on market? Nothing is of "fair price" in this world, if you > really want to split the hears. But paying the market price, > that what asked, is what I consider paying fairly for goods. > It's not charity, nor it is stealing. It's a fair trade. And > it's all still -- karma. The materialistic activities. > > - mnd What I am saying is that the extra should go to pay for cow protection programs. Then you would be involved in cow protection, even if you were buying in the market. That would be a very practical sacrifice to make to help concretely establish VAD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 1999 Report Share Posted July 29, 1999 > > What I am saying is that the extra should go to pay for cow protection > programs. Then you would be involved in cow protection, even if you were > buying in the market. That would be a very practical sacrifice to make to > help concretely establish VAD. Me and my wife together have very practically sacrificed away our 35 years of full engagement in that what was called "devotional service in ISCKON", to find ourselves realizing that better we had rather sacrificed some $10 monthly to a cow protection program -- that would have been a very practical help in concretely establishing VAD. Anyway, that was a joke. But your point is valid - people should donate their lovely money to a good cause (here to the cow protection team, particularly). Thus they will gradually purify their existence and they might eventually take up even the practicing of KC. That is also explained in BG, being recommended by Krsna to those who can't take up the higher forms of spiritual practice. - mnd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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