Guest guest Posted December 6, 1999 Report Share Posted December 6, 1999 > > "Maharaja Prithu did not allow himself to function outside the institution > of four varnas and four ashramas, although as a Vaishnava he was a > paramahamsa, transcendental to all material activities. He remained at > his position as a ksatriya to rule the world and at the same time remained > transcendental to such activities by satisfying the Supreme Personality of > Godhead." > S.B. 4.22.50. > > Now are the "leaders" of ISKCON above Prithu Maharaja? Are they better > than paramhamsas? Just what is their excuse for not following Srila > Prabhupada's orders in this regard for more than 25 years? If they could > just be honest and admit that they don't know how to do it that would be > at least truthful instead of pretentious and misleading to their followers > who follow blindly. > The problem with leaders of ISKCON is that they are in the wrong asrama. Sannyasis are not supposed to manage a society. They are not supposed to be dependent on the institution nor to manage it. It is "neither live, neither die" situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 1999 Report Share Posted December 7, 1999 Hare Krishna, It would be more constructive if you could make your point without becoming insulting. You are doing yourself a disservice by undermining your own position. It is unfair to condemn all ISKCON leaders, when in fact, they are individuals with their own minds and realizations and histories. The problem here is that no one has yet put together a successful varnashrama model for the present day. We have some portion of a model from what we know of Vedic culture; and Srila Prabhupada gave us general principles and, occasionally, some tips on the details. Unfortunately, no one has outlined a practical "how to get from no varnashrama to daivi-varnashrama in 12 easy steps" program. The following is not meant as sarcasm: If you think you know how to do it, then clearly outline your proposed plan for everyone's benefit. Better still, take up the rod of responsibility and demonstrate by your leadership of a varnashrama community how this "other 50%" of Srila Prabhupada's mission should be achieved. Your servant, Sri Rama das [srirama (AT) bbt (DOT) se], or [srirama (AT) jps (DOT) net] < PLEASE NOTE THIS NEW EMAIL ADDRESS TECH TIP OF THE WEEK -- Absolutely free, no strings attached, anti-virus software from CA/Innoculan: http://antivirus.cai.com/. > > Janesvara.ACBSP (AT) bbt (DOT) se [Janesvara.ACBSP (AT) bbt (DOT) se] > Monday, December 06, 1999 8:17 AM > COM: DMW (Dharma of Men and Women); COM: India (Continental > Committee) Open (Forum); COM: Varnasrama development > Picking up the mood of Srila Prabhupada > > > [Text 2835556 from COM] > > > Again, let me humbly suggest that the best first step to starting > > varnasrama is to study Srila Prabhupada's instructions on the matter. I > > suggest that every temple, no matter how small, can obtain one copy of > > *Srila Prabhupada on Varnasrama and Farm Community Development, Vol. 1: > > Speaking about Varnasrama* and use it as a text for weekly classes > > meditating and discussing Prabhupada's instructions on varnasrama in the > > company of devotees. This text was produced by the ISKCON Farm Research > > Committee and the Bhaktivedanta Archives just to aid the devotees in > > fulfilling Srila Prabhupada's desire. This would be an important step to > > setting up a varnasrama college in every temple, as requested by Srila > > Prabhupada in Vrndavana in March 1974. > > > > your servant, > > > > Hare Krsna dasi > > > Yes, Mother Hare Krsna dasi remains tirelessly dedicated to promoting a > practical means for ISKCON's so-called leaders to begin to live > up to their > responsibilities. She does half the work for these so-called qualified men > who seem far more interested in having followers then serving Srila > Prabhupada's greater mission of offering practical and certain engagement > for all people of the world in the service of the Supreme Lord. > > The GBC doesn't even give lip service service to Varnasrama-dharma anymore > and instead continue to mire themselves in treating the symptoms of Kali's > diseases. They are not leaders. They are devotees, but to impersonate > leaders is rotten. > > All devotees of ISKCON must learn to demand of their leaders that they > prioritize training according varnasrama-dharma in every center of Srila > PRabhupada's movement. If they don't take it up immediately the devotees > must lobby for their replacement by others who realize the need for this > training and daily practice. > > "Maharaja Prithu did not allow himself to function outside the institution > of four varnas and four ashramas, although as a Vaishnava he was a > paramahamsa, transcendental to all material activities. He > remained at his > position as a ksatriya to rule the world and at the same time remained > transcendental to such activities by satisfying the Supreme Personality of > Godhead." > S.B. 4.22.50. > > Now are the "leaders" of ISKCON above Prithu Maharaja? Are they > better than > paramhamsas? Just what is their excuse for not following Srila > Prabhupada's > orders in this regard for more than 25 years? If they could just be honest > and admit that they don't know how to do it that would be at > least truthful > instead of pretentious and misleading to their followers who > follow blindly. > > Any devotee of ISKCON who says that "we don't need varnasrama in > ISKCON, we > are above it" is in gross illusion and acting against Srila Prabhupada's > direct teachings. > > If they say it can't be done now they are ignorant. > > Many of them talk big about India but seem to fail to understand the > significance of Bharata-varsa: > > "In the planet known as Bharata-varsa there are many rivers and mountains, > as there are in other tracts of land, yet Bharata-varsa has special > significance because in this tract of land there exists the Vedic > principle > of varnasrama-dharma, which divides society into four varnas and four > asramas. FURTHERMORE, Narada Munis opinion is that even if there is some > temporary disturbance in the execution of the varnasrama-dharma > principles, > they can be revived AT ANY MOMENT." SB 5.19 Introduction. > > When will the devotee citizens unite and demand good leadership? > > Thank you Mother Hare Krsna for the easy steps offered for the leaders to > implement Prabhupada's wishes. Will they take it up? I doubt it > as much as I > doubted they would follow their own laws for cow protection. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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