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> >and walk with cotton cloth on faces and sweepping the road in our walk,

> >like Sikhis do. ;)

> Please excuse my ignorance. I meant "like Jainists do". I apology to all

> Sikhas.

My sikha accepted your apology and pays obeisances in the dust of your

lotus-feet. But by the way, I always thought that Jainists run around nude,

how can they wear cloth on their faces?

YS, Bh Eduard.

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At 00:11 12/03/99 +0100, COM: (Bhakta) Eduard (Wiesbaden - D) wrote:

>My sikha accepted your apology and pays obeisances in the dust of your

>lotus-feet.

 

Uh-oh. There is no such thing as "my lotus feet". It doesn't exist

in the nature, so your sikha worshipped some void.

 

>But by the way, I always thought that Jainists run around nude,

>how can they wear cloth on their faces?

 

They do. At least they supposed to do so.

 

Farewell, Eddie.

 

yhs bh Oleg.

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> (Bhakta) Oleg Demtchenko (Nikolaev - RU)

> 09-Mar-99 20:28

> bona fide yes or no? [139]

> Cc: Varnasrama development [8952]

> Re: honey

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> >Basically there are two different kinds of honey: one of blossoms and

> >flowers and one from the forest. The forest honey is made from the

> excretion

> >of certain lice (which contains lots of protein) and is taken by the bees

> >who transform it into honey. I wonder if such kind of honey can be

> >offered to Krsna or in other words if through the transformation by the

> >bees this excretion becomes purified.

 

I lived in the rainforests of south India for sometime, and we would

regularly get fantastic honey from the local gatherers. That forest

contained abundant species of trees, many of which had various types of

flowers, as well as other plant species. I would be surprised if forest bees

in other locations were restricted only to such insects. Many trees have a

flowering season, although not necesarily the kind of flowers, we recognise.

 

Although not a topic for this conference, it is interesting. On another

topic, are sweeteners obtained from corn and used to sweeten drinks

considered grains?

 

YS Samba das

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> Although not a topic for this conference, it is interesting. On another

> topic, are sweeteners obtained from corn and used to sweeten drinks

> considered grains?

>

> YS Samba das

 

During the installation ceremonies of Srila Prabhupada into the Palace in NV in

1979, I remember having that very same conversation with Jayadvaita (now)

Swami. It was ekadasi and he was drinking a 7 UP. It did not say corn

sweetner

on the can itself, but as I was quite the fanatic in those days, I was

suggesting to him that given the possibility that it could have corn sweetner

in

it, perhaps he shouldn't drink it. He continued anyway. He mentioned how as

Srila Prabhupada himself had drank 7 UP on long flights, he felt it was okay

to

drink. I can't remember if the actual issue if it was a sweetner or a grain

came up, as it may have been a nonissue to him because it wasn't listed as an

ingredient anyway.

 

Bhaktipada's opinion was that it wasn't a grain , it was a sweetner.

 

As per using it on ekadasi, the principle of ekadasi is austerity, so to err

on the side of austerity would seem to be a guiding principle, although I am a

hypocrite on that level.

 

>From a dietary perspective, ekadasi seems to be the day you give your

digestive

system a break, as beans and grains are more complex to digest, whereas the

corn sweetner isn't, so from that perspective it isn't a grain.

 

I don't understand why this wouldn't be a topic for this conference? VAD is

essentially a system to get people fed, so a detail of how to do that has as

much significance as theorectical considerations, IMHO.

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On 12 Mar 1999, Madhava Gosh wrote:

 

> > are sweeteners obtained from corn and used to sweeten drinks

> > considered grains?

 

I remember having that very same conversation with Jayadvaita (now)

> Swami. It was ekadasi and he was drinking a 7 UP. It did not say corn

> sweetner

> on the can itself, but as I was quite the fanatic in those days, I was

> suggesting to him that given the possibility that it could have corn

sweetner

> in

> it, perhaps he shouldn't drink it.

 

 

My understanding is that corn syrup is produced from the corn *stalk*, not the

grain, so that it is OK to have on Ekadasi. I don't know if that is a fact. On

the other hand, I agree with Sriman Gosh; it's better to reduce the sense grat

on that day. BTW, Gosh, even if one doesn't follow the rules and regs so

strictly, it doesn't make you a hypocrite to simply state what the rules are.

It's when one criticizes or chastises others for being loose, while secretly

being loose him/herself. Ravindra Svarupa Prabhu gives an excellent analysis

of this in his Cure of Souls tape series, which I highly recommend to

everyone. It's better (and more applicable to devotees) than the Seven Habits

of Highly Effective People.

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> My understanding is that corn syrup is produced from the corn *stalk*, not

the

> grain, so that it is OK to have on Ekadasi. I don't know if that is a fact.

 

It's not. Corn syrup comes from the grain. Sorghum molasses does come from

the

stalk.

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> > >and walk with cotton cloth on faces and sweepping the road in our walk,

> > >like Sikhis do. ;)

> > Please excuse my ignorance. I meant "like Jainists do". I apology to all

> > Sikhas.

> My sikha accepted your apology and pays obeisances in the dust of your

> lotus-feet. But by the way, I always thought that Jainists run around

> nude, how can they wear cloth on their faces?

> YS, Bh Eduard.

 

I lived in the South Kanara district of Karnataka for a few years where

Jainism all began from some of the followers of Lord Rishabhadeva. There are

ancient Jain temples everywhere.

 

Modern Jains wear clothes, but cover their faces to avoid inhaling and thus

killing microbes in the air. Every now and then you come across some more

fundamental Jains who go naked, and others who wear only one white cloth and

carry a very large whisk type of sweeping implement to brush ants and other

small creatures from their path.

 

YS Samba das

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