Protest!

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Trayimaya wrote:

 

> I really have to publicly protest to Jahnu prabhus aggressive

> namecalling, It is indecent and intimidating for all parties.

> Please if you have a point to prove do it by normal means and

> stop humiliating the devotees, be it in public or private

> letters.

 

I think you have lost your sense of proportions. One devotee here

seems to be saying straight out that he needs to protect the

abused children and their parents against the likes of me. That's

what he said. And you seem to be supporting him even though we

have known eachother personally since you joined. Am I to take it

that you consider me an enemy to the abused children in ISKCON,

that I don't want their welfare? Is that your opinion about me?

Then please tell me what you base that opinion on. We have always

been the best of friends and respected eachother as devotees. You

know for sure that I am not a pedophile, and that I despise their

activities. What happened? It seems that since you moved out of

the temple (because you felt unsupported I guess) you have become

somewhat bitter at ISKCON. Especielly after the fall of our guru,

you have changed notably. It is like you have absorbed his mood

of criticism towards ISKCON and Srila Prabhupada.

 

I feel child-abuse is not the real issue here unless you want to

accuse me of not caring for the children and women in ISKCON. Are

you prepared to do that? Me and your own wife have been very good

friends. When she felt neglected by other devotees in the temple,

I was the one who stood up and defended her and her kids. Is she

going to say that I don't care about the children and women in

ISKCON? Why do you think I live out in nowhere up in Sweden -

even though I'm Danish and hate the puffed up Swedes - if isn't

to have my children in a Krishna-conscious school? I spend a

great deal of my monthly income on guru-kula fees. If I lived

outside the temple and had my children going to karmi-school

(like you) we would have 2000 kr. more a month. Why do you think

I make that sacrifice if it isn't because I care about my

children? And if I care enough about my own children to live out

in the woods for their sake, even though I grew up in the city,

and hate to live in the country (although in later years I have

learned to like it), why do you asume that I don't care about

other children in ISKCON?

 

I have been a friend to your own children. I am sure that both

your teen-age boys can testify to that. I have shown them

kindness and understanding where other devotees said they were

useless. I simply cannot understand how you can think that I

don't care about the abused children in ISKCON.

 

It seems that everytime I open my mouth on a controversial issue

here you and Mahanidhi fall over me. Why is that? Is it because

you see me as a represnetantive of ISKCON since you know I am

such an ISKCON fanatic? Me and Mahanidhi have also lived in the

same temple for one year and know each other as very well, or as

well one can get to know Mahanidhi. He always locks himself up in

a room somewhere. You never saw him for class or kirtan. He only

came for deity-greeting every morning then he left. After our

guru fell he has also moved out of the temple. And what does _he_

know about children? He doesn't have any children himself. Why

does he think I don't care about the abused kids in ISKCON? _I_

am the one who cares about ISKCON, not him. He has his own

agenda. And before you get all worked up remember I am being

accused of not caring about the abused children in ISKCON and

supporting the criminals who did it, publicly on COM. Do you

think I am going to just going to hang my head and accept that

without any retort? Forget it.

 

Both of you support one dead-brain here, who claims that his

service to Srila Prabhupada is to defend the abused children and

their parents against me. I don't even know this devotee. What,

am I having a bad dream or something? Am I amongst devotees or a

bunch of atheists?

 

I have never been so out-raged in my life. All I have said is

that in dealing with the proplems in ISKCON it doesn't help to

get all worked up in a hysteria and start a witch-hunt on the

pedophiles and their alleged supporters in the GBC. This is

low-class emotional garbage like during the Nazis in Germany. Do

you think this is going to help ISKCON? The children who are

suing ISKCON are being instigated by the two most crazy and

envious defamers of ISKCON, Puranjana and Pratyatosa. Pratyatosa

is their contact to this famous lawyer. Have you read their texts

on use-net? They say that the whole ISKCON and the GBC have been

taken over by a scheming cult of pedophiles.

 

Now I have personally lived half a year in Vrindavan in the

guru-kula building. I shared the same bath-room with the

guru-kulis every morning for half a year. I have talked to

guru-kulas from all over the world when I met them in India. I

have enquired from them about their experiences. I have directly

asked them if they had any bad experiences in guru-kula and if

they would like to tell me about it. One time I was sitting in

Mayapura with an ex-guru-kuli and having a pizza. I asked him if

he had had any bad experiences in guru-kula. He said, do you

really want to know? and I said yes. Then he points with his

thump to the devotee back there serving the pizzas, and says:

"This guy #£@#"@ a friend of mine in the @£ so bad that he needed

stiches afterwards." What could I say?

 

Anyway, by far the most kids I have talked to in ISKCON, and that

is 100 times more than both you and Mahanidhi and Janaka put

together, have told me that they had had a positive experience in

guru-kula and that they wouldn't have missed it.

 

Now you are slandering me publicly for not caring about the abuse

in ISKCON and supporting a bunch of pedophiles, just because I

dare approach the issue from a more philosophical angle and

suggest that we have to look at the whole situation in ISKCON and

not just stare ourselves blind at the child-abuse. That's what

they do in the karmi-world. When they want to divert the people's

attention away from the real issues, like the whole culture is

going to hell, they start a campaign in the media. One year it is

the neo-nazis, then the pedophiles or whatever they can find to

hunt down to catch peoples' interest. The best is of course

issues that can really work people up emotionally so they lose

all their intelligence (if they had any in the forst place) and

lose clear sight. In this way the attention is driven away from

the real problem. The real problem in ISKCON is that there is a

deliberate attempt by some former disgruntled Prabhupada

disciples to ruin ISKCON. They masquerade as the ritviks, as the

poison advocates, as the ISKCON Reform group, as the anti-BBT

editing of Prabhupada's books etc. They are all the same people.

And they are also the ones who are suing ISKCON. Nityananda is

sitting in the back and pulling the strings with Hansadutta and

others.

 

It seems you are taking their position and saying that ISKCON is

nothing but a bunch of child-abusers. Well, what can I say. I

will never be convinced that Srila Prabhupada started a mission

which has been taken over by a group of scheming devotees who

rape children. I will never believe that. Neither do I have any

reason to believe that. I have met all the GBCs personally and

you will never get me to say any other thing than they are really

trying their best to preserve Srila Prabhupada's teachings and

spread them all over the world. I don't have faith in all the

individuals of the GBC, but I do have faith that Srila Prabhupada

is present in the collective GBC. And that is not empty faith.

 

I think this is the real issue here. Child abuse is just a

divertion. Who wants child-abuse in ISKCON or is not out-raged

about it? Do you think I don't hate those who abuse children? I

hate them more than anyone, I just refuse to get hyped up and

hysterical about it. I leave that to you. Go ahead. I can tell

you with all certainty, that you and Mahanidhi and Janaka are

doing _zero_ for the kids in ISKCON by your activities. Anyway, I

have said what I had to say about this.

 

*plonk*