Fwd: Chanting the Lord's Confidential pastimes in public

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Internet: "Jason Anthony Rapp" <rappjason (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com>

04-Aug-04 02:08 -0700 (09:08)

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Fwd: Chanting the Lord's Confidential pastimes in public

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Dear Maharajas, Matajis and prabhus,

 

Here is a text I just re-read which addresses the topic brought out by Mahat

Tattva prabhu a couple of days ago about discussion of confidential lila.

 

I am not a member of BVK sanga but if Maharaja replied specifically to

Mahata

Tattva prabhu's questions could it be forwarded to me and/or the Prabhupada

said conference?

 

BSST says below that:

If we are qualified, we can hear about the Lord's confidential pastimes

only

in the association of like-minded devotees, feeling our own mood according

to our constitutional position. Otherwise we will receive an opposite

result. If in order to maintain this standard, singing the Lord's glories

must be stopped altogether, let it be so. We are interested in benefiting

the people. It is Kali who keeps alive the public singing of the Lord's

confidential pastimes simply to accumulate money and enjoy sense

gratification.

 

In my response I said that it would be at the descretion of the qualified

speaker what he/she speaks about. On reading the above comment by Srila

Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja we think, that at a point some things will never be

discussed publicly by a qualified speaker.

 

Insincerely praying for the blessings of those more qualified,

your servant,

bhakta Jason

 

Below should be the full text from Isvara prabhu.

 

 

> 13. Why don't you allow the singing of Lord's conjugal pastimes in the

> Matha?

>

> We do not object to hearing and chanting about Krsna's pastimes. In fact,

> the Lord's pastimes must be heard and chanted. Only then will the

> conditioned souls' natural taste or eagerness for hearing and chanting

> about their own heroic activities and other forms of idle talk be

> destroyed. There is no substitute for this. We should hear from devotees

> superior to ourselves. If we hear from others, we will gain nothing. We

> should hear glorification of the Lord only from a spiritual master or pure

> devotee. A real devotee thinks, "I will hear hari-katha only from my

> spiritual master's mouth and hear and discuss the Srimad-Bhagavatam Sri

> Sukadeva Gosvami spoke. I will hear glorification of the Lord as it was

> inaugurated by Caitanya Mahaprabhu, or discuss Lord Krsna's names, forms,

> and qualities. I will discuss the Lord's pure devotees, who are fully

> dedicated to their spiritual master."

> However, there is no difference between chanting about the Lord's pastimes

> and chanting about the mellows of the Lord's conjugal pastimes and we

> should therefore not think that one is higher and the other lower. Hearing

> about the conjugal pastimes requires qualification. Living entities with

> anarthas can hear and chant about the pastimes of Lord Gauranga and the

> childhood pastimes of Lord Krsna. If people try to hear and chant about

the

> confidential pastimes between Sri Radha and Krsna they will find

misfortune

> rather than auspiciousness. Hearing and chanting about Sri Sri

> Radha-Krsna's confidential pastimes is certainly the best way to worship

> the Lord. It is, however, improper and even offensive to sing about such

> pastimes in public. A person wishing to attain auspiciousness must obey

> these words from the mahajanas, apana bhajana katha na kahibe yatha tatha:

> "Do not disclose your confidential mode of worship to anyone and

everyone."

> We should sing the holy name's glories, offer prayers to the Lord, and

> chant the glories of the Lord's service where people of different natures

> and statuses are assembled. If we are qualified, we can hear about the

> Lord's confidential pastimes only in the association of like-minded

> devotees, feeling our own mood according to our constitutional position.

> Otherwise we will receive an opposite result. If in order to maintain this

> standard, singing the Lord's glories must be stopped altogether, let it be

> so. We are interested in benefiting the people. It is Kali who keeps alive

> the public singing of the Lord's confidential pastimes simply to

accumulate

> money and enjoy sense gratification.

>

> Why do we not appear to be making advancement despite our repeatedly

> hearing krsna-katha?

>

> How can we hear if we keep our ear holes blocked? Inattentive hearing

> yields no result. What to speak of inattention, we must not hear only with

> the mind, because the mind is restless. Hearing means following. What is

> the use of hearing if we do not follow what we have heard? That is why we

> must hear hari-katha with our life. Then we will attain auspiciousness.

>

>

> (From Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Amrta Vani)

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