RE: Premature preaching of renunciation

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Hare Krishna,

 

In the text below you mention Prabhupada trickiness:

 

"So yes you may say that Prabhupada was thinking about us while doing

this

things, but neverless he was very tricky sometimes in his dealings with his

disciples, acording to this, for the sake of spreading the movement."

 

How is Srila Prabhupada being tricky. That appears to be speculation. If

Prabhupada said he changed his mind, why should we ignore his words and give

our own interpretation. Prabhupada is a person, not a machine. If he changes

his mind, he changes his mind. We don't need to adjust the facts to suit our

own misconception of how a realized soul must think and speak.

 

Your servant,

Sri Rama das

 

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>

> Harsi.HKS (AT) bbt (DOT) se [Harsi.HKS (AT) bbt (DOT) se]

> Saturday, October 23, 1999 12:30 PM

>

> > So, you started with our present system,

> >

> > >So Srila Prabhupada did all the things wich proved to be a failure in

> > >most cases,

> >

> > then jump to Prabhupada,

>

> Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

>

> Maybe I was not expresing myself so well, I was refering to the

> practice of

> giving sanyasa for the sake of preaching without taking into consideration

> that the one who takes sanyasa may not be fully aware and mature enouph in

> his understanding about the consequences of such a stepp for his

> whole life,

> and who may have chosen this just to obey to the desire of his spiritual

> master.

>

> For example just recently I came upon a lecture by Harikesha prabhu from

> 1984 where he told the story how he took sannyasa. It was during the time

> when he was Prabhupadas personal secretary, they were in Mayapura and

> Prabhupada started to preach to him about the sannyasa order for one week,

> but not that he told him directly that he should take sannyasa he rather

> spoke moore in general and always stoped when it became to obvious what he

> meant by his preaching. This went on for one week, so after this time

> Harikesha prabhu realized what Prabhupada wanted from him and went to

> Prabhupada,s room and told him that he is ready for it.

> Prabhupada asked him

> ready for what, than he saed ready to take sanyasa since for one

> week he was

> preaching to him about the sannyasa order.

>

> Than Prabhupada saed what, you want to leave me and started to

> speak to him

> how he needed him and he should not leave him.

> Hearing this Harikesha Prabhu was happy and saed he would never leave his

> asociation but since for so long he was preaching to him about sannyasa he

> thought he wanted from him he should take sanyasa and go preaching.

> They were discussing about this for about a halph our and during this time

> Prabhupada was mixing tilaka in his hand, but never reached to

> put it on his

> forehead, just sprinkle some water in his palm and mix the tilaka.

>

> So after some time hearing that Prabhupada didnt wanted that he

> should take

> sannyasa and leave, him Harikesha went back to his room. The next

> morning at

> 3 o clock Tamala Krishna Gosvami woke him up and told him he should get up

> since Prabhupada wanted to speak to him.

>

> Than he went to Prabhupadas room and Prabhupada told him that he wants him

> to take sannyasa. Harikesha prabhu sad "but you saed yesterday

> that I should

> not do it and should not leave you." Prabhupada told him "I

> changed my mind"

>

> Maybe HH Tamal Krishna Goswami can tell us something about this time.

>

> So than they were discusing when would be a good day for the sanyasa

> initiation and two weeks later he gave him sannyasa and the next

> day he was

> sending him to Amerika to preach with the Radha Damodhara party.

>

> But on his way to Amerika he stoped in Germany and meet some devotees who

> invited him to go and preach in the east in Hungary. In this way

> he remaind

> in Europa and thus I got the chance to meet Him and take initiation from

> Him.

>

> So yes you may say that Prabhupada was thinking about us while doing this

> things, but neverless he was very tricky sometimes in his

> dealings with his

> disciples, acording to this, for the sake of spreading the movement.

>

> Therefore I understand when some complain about Prabhupadas "premature

> preaching of renunciation" wich created some problems in our society

> "due to neglecting the needs of the individuals, especially those

> who should

> be cared for, loved and protected, and most importantly, ourselves." and

> that the problem may have come "to a large extent" -although- "from His

> teachings and mood."

>

> But I dont know anything therefore I am always open for another

> understanding or discussion about this.

>

> Ys,

> Harsi das