Women's role and intelligence

[Guest guest]

What are you trying to prove? That one should not follow his prescribed

duties? We can't say "I am chanting Hare Krishna, I am transcendental and

therefore I don't need to follow my prescribed duties as a brahmacari." If I

would behave like that Svavasa Pr. would kick me out in no time. Same thing

with any of the mothers in the ashram.

 

Devotees also follow rules and regulations of varna, ashrama, gender etc.

otherwise why Srila Prabhupada wanted us to establish varnas and ashramas

and why did he speak so much about diferent duties of men and women. It is

not that Srila Prabhupada didn't know what to do with his time so he spoke

so much on mundain subject matters.

 

One thing is that I may take up one project of constructing a Varna Ashrama

College

 

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Letter to: Gurukrpa: -- Los Angeles 21 June, 1975

 

 

 

A woman's real business is to look after household affairs, keep everything

neat and clean, and if there is sufficient milk supply available, she should

always be engaged in churning butter, making yogurt, curd, so many nice

varieties, simply from milk. The woman should be cleaning, sewing, like

that.

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Letter to: Chaya -- Calcutta 16 February, 1972

 

 

 

A woman by performance of her prescribed duty as described in SB 7.11.25-29

(not some other's duty) as a sacrifice to Lord Visnu will get the exact same

result that Arjuna did by performance of his prescribed duty as a Kshatriya.

 

"Perform your prescribed duty, for doing so is better than not working. One

cannot even maintain one's physical body without work. Work done as a

sacrifice for Visnu has to be performed, otherwise work causes bondage in

this material world. Therefore, O son of Kunti, perform your prescribed

duties for His satisfaction, and in that way you will always remain free

from bondage." BG 3.8-9

 

Some may suggest that you can do what ever you want to do as a service to

Lord Krsna but that is not the opinion of the Lord. He says that yajna is

born from prescribed duties not whim:

 

"All living bodies subsist on food grains, which are produced from rains.

Rains are produced by performance of yajna [sacrifice], and yajna is born of

prescribed duties. Regulated activities are prescribed in the Vedas, and the

Vedas are directly manifested from the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

Consequently the all-pervading Transcendence is eternally situated in acts

of sacrifice." BG 3.14-15

 

 

"Whatever action a great man performs, common men follow. And whatever

standards he sets by exemplary acts, all the world pursues. O son of Prtha,

there is no work prescribed for Me within all the three planetary systems.

Nor am I in want of anything, nor have I a need to obtain anything-and yet I

am engaged in prescribed duties. For if I ever failed to engage in carefully

performing prescribed duties, O Partha, certainly all men would follow My

path." BG 3.21-23

 

Here the Lord emphasizes that He considers the performance of prescribed

duty so important that even though He is above prescribed duties He still

performs them just for the sake of setting the example for others lest they

go to ruination by following His example. So if this is true for the Lord

Who is actually above all the rules how much more true is it for us who must

actually follow our prescribed duties or even those who are liberated---we

must all perform our prescribed duties to please Lord Krsna and to set an

example for the benefit of others.

 

 

 

CONCLUSION:

 

Ideally one should perform his prescribed duties according to varna,

ashrama, gender and so on and at the same time chant Hare Krishna. By doing

so we are contributing to building a society that is congenial for eventual

development of Krishna bhakti.

 

yesam tv anta-gatam papam

jananam punya-karmanam

te dvandva-moha-nirmukta

bhajante mam drdha-vratah

 

TRANSLATION

Persons who have acted piously in previous lives and in this life and whose

sinful actions are completely eradicated are freed from the dualities of

delusion, and they engage themselves in My service with determination.

 

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Bg 7.28

 

Punya karmanam doesn't mean transcendental activities. Also says that those

who have acted piously, te - THEM, dvandva-moha-nirmukta

bhajante mam drdha-vratah are able to get liberated from the dualities of

moha (illusion) and they are able to engage in worship of Krishna with

drdha-vratah (great determination).

[Guest guest]

Srila Prabhupada is most brilliant, and he has given to us exactly what is

required for *this age*. Chant 16 malas, attend morning and evening

program, follow 4 regulative principles and make an honest living, and

preach to the extant possible. If anyone does that, he will not be failing

in any of his other prescribed duties, in which ever varna, asrama, gender

one may be.

 

Your humble servant,

Bhadra Govinda Dasa.

 

 

> What are you trying to prove? That one should not follow his prescribed

> duties? We can't say "I am chanting Hare Krishna, I am transcendental and

> therefore I don't need to follow my prescribed duties as a brahmacari." If

I

> would behave like that Svavasa Pr. would kick me out in no time. Same

thing

> with any of the mothers in the ashram.

>

> Devotees also follow rules and regulations of varna, ashrama, gender etc.

> otherwise why Srila Prabhupada wanted us to establish varnas and ashramas

> and why did he speak so much about diferent duties of men and women. It is

> not that Srila Prabhupada didn't know what to do with his time so he spoke

> so much on mundain subject matters.

[Guest guest]

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Friday, May 17, 2002 5:30 AM

Women's role and intelligence

 

> I'd like to add a few things---

>

> There are several categories of prescribed duties.

 

>There are spiritual duties which encompass practical ways of engaging in the

 

> nine processes and which are given by the spiritual master for upliftment.

 

> These duties can be done by anyone, regardless of the body.

 

 

One's prescribed duties become spiritual when they are offered to Lord

Krsna.

 

 

> In this category, and in the category of duties prescribed according to the

 

> psychophysical nature, there are three subcategories each--ordinary,

 

> emergency, and desired. While our ordinary duties take precedence,

 

>desired activities that are not sinful and are for the Lord's service can

certainly

>be offered to Him and are not whimsical.

 

What is meant by "desired activities" is not made clear in the Gita verse

wherein it is mentioned so it would be speculation to interpret it means one

can do what one desires and offer it to Krsna as long as it is not "sinful".

 

> Additionally, it is crystal clear in the sastra that women have varna.

> Therefore, women have duties in their varna as well as in their ashrama. You

> have quoted the duties of women in the grhastha ashrama only.

 

A woman's duties are prescribed not according to her own individual "varna"

but according to how she is assisting her husband. It really bugs me that

some devotee astrologers (and teachers) take the liberty to advise girls

born to devotee parents to independently take up certain varna training

according to their gunas. It's irresponsible. Prabhupada never authorized a

program to train our girl children like this and neglect her natural social

position that is determined according to her father and later on, her

husband. The natural way is for a girl to be at home and learn from her

mother and father.

 

When a woman is married she assists her husband- she doesn't have duties in

her own varna. Even when a woman's husband takes vanaprastha, she still

assists him in his varna. If he dies or takes sannyasa, her main duties

don't change, they are transferred to assist her son and his family. These

days many women join ISKCON who are't under any man's authority (gurus not

included) and are already trained in so many fields. There are also many who

choose to remove themselves from a devotee father's, husband's, or son's

protection or they remarry. None of these are authorized by scripture. So

these women may be working in ways which are less than vedic. What to do?

Better she offer her actions to Krsna than not but as she makes spiritual

advancement and learns the philosophy, it would stand to reason that she

would take up more authorized womanly activities, even if she has to learn

them.

 

Your servant, Sita dd

 

> Finally, it is still the case that people come to the Krsna Consciousness

> Movement who are so attached and fixed in a particular way of life that one

> has to engage them in service in a non-standard way without disturbing their

> minds. Surely, such persons can make full spiritual advancement as long as

> they follow the basic instructions Srila Prabhupada gave us, and they can

> offer to Krsna their work, however much it may deviate from sastric

prescribed

> duties. For example, there's a divorced woman with two children and a job as

a

> lawyer. How will she follow sastric presribed duties? Does it mean that her

> legal services for ISKCON aren't accepted by Krsna?

>

> In this regard, we need to consider that there are *many* women in ISKCON who

> have neither father, husband, nor son to protect them. Some of these women

are

> older, many are not eligible for marriage for one reason or another, and

their

> external situation is most unlikely to lead to a sastrically prescribed duty.

> What to do? Is everything they do "whimsical?" Is it the prescribed duty of a

> thrice divorced woman with children from several marriages to again marry so

> she can serve her "husband" according to Bhagavatam? Unfortuantely such

> situations are often more common than the ideal.

[Guest guest]

Hare Krishna dear Prabhu.

Please accept my humble obeisances.

All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

 

> Srila Prabhupada is most brilliant, and he has given to us exactly what is

> required for *this age*. Chant 16 malas, attend morning and evening

> program, follow 4 regulative principles and make an honest living, and

> preach to the extant possible. If anyone does that, he will not be

> failing in any of his other prescribed duties, in which ever varna,

> asrama, gender one may be.

 

Yes Srila Prabhupada demonstrated this, but as our society is growing we

need to apply other things too. As I said why did Srila Prabhupada spend so

much of his precious time to explain about different social rolls? If you

stress only one side one may get impression that you are trying to avoid

your social responsibilities. Just imagine how ugly is to see a brahmacari

developing intimate relationship with opposite sex. In this regard we can't

quote Lord Caitanya where He says that we are none of the materially

designated varnas or ashramas:

 

"‘I am not a brahmana, I am not a ksatriya, I am not a vaisya or a sudra.

Nor am I a brahmacari, a householder, a vanaprastha or a sannyasi. I

identify Myself only as the servant of the servant of the servant of the

lotus feet of Lord Sri Krsna, the maintainer of the gopis. He is like an

ocean of nectar, and He is the cause of universal transcendental bliss. He

is always existing with brilliance.'"

 

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Madhya 13.80

 

 

Lord Caitanya was very strict about his social responsibilities. He never

allowed women to come near.

 

There is the whole story about Haridasa junior. The Lord (outwardly)

severely punished His pure devotee for a minor mistake just to teach us how

important is to stick to our designated ashram's codes. Isn't it?

 

Hope this finds you in the best of health.

 

Your servant,

Mahat-tattva dasa

 

ps

I hope you don't mind, I sent this text to the Brahmacari conference also. I

would like to hear other Vaisnavas' comments, just in case I am wrong. Or if

I am not others can learn from this.

 

 

>

> > What are you trying to prove? That one should not follow his prescribed

> > duties? We can't say "I am chanting Hare Krishna, I am transcendental

> > and therefore I don't need to follow my prescribed duties as a

> > brahmacari." If

> I

> > would behave like that Svavasa Pr. would kick me out in no time. Same

> thing

> > with any of the mothers in the ashram.

> >

> > Devotees also follow rules and regulations of varna, ashrama, gender

> > etc. otherwise why Srila Prabhupada wanted us to establish varnas and

> > ashramas and why did he speak so much about diferent duties of men and

> > women. It is not that Srila Prabhupada didn't know what to do with his

> > time so he spoke so much on mundain subject matters.

[Guest guest]

I repeat, if one follows the following Vaisnava regulative principles set by

our founder acarya, we will not be failing in any of the social

responsibilities. The Vaisnava regulative principles set by Srila Prabupada

are all inclusive. The social prescribed duties are automatically achieved.

There is no need to separately endeavour, as Your brahmacarya or my

grihastha ashrama regulative principles are already a part of the following

preascribed duties of ISKCON members, set by our founder acarya, the most

brilliant and compassionate acarya for this age.

 

1. Follow morning and evening program.

2. Chant 16 malas.

2. Follow four regulative principles.

4. Make an honest living.

5. Preach or help preachers in preaching.

 

Hare Krishna.

 

Your humble servant,

Bhadra Govinda Dasa.

 

 

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Sunday, June 16, 2002 12:26 AM

Re: Women's role and intelligence

 

 

> Hare Krishna dear Prabhu.

> Please accept my humble obeisances.

> All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

>

> > Srila Prabhupada is most brilliant, and he has given to us exactly what

is

> > required for *this age*. Chant 16 malas, attend morning and evening

> > program, follow 4 regulative principles and make an honest living, and

> > preach to the extant possible. If anyone does that, he will not be

> > failing in any of his other prescribed duties, in which ever varna,

> > asrama, gender one may be.

>

> Yes Srila Prabhupada demonstrated this, but as our society is growing we

> need to apply other things too. As I said why did Srila Prabhupada spend

so

> much of his precious time to explain about different social rolls? If you

> stress only one side one may get impression that you are trying to avoid

> your social responsibilities. Just imagine how ugly is to see a brahmacari

> developing intimate relationship with opposite sex. In this regard we

can't

> quote Lord Caitanya where He says that we are none of the materially

> designated varnas or ashramas:

>

> "`I am not a brahmana, I am not a ksatriya, I am not a vaisya or a sudra.

> Nor am I a brahmacari, a householder, a vanaprastha or a sannyasi. I

> identify Myself only as the servant of the servant of the servant of the

> lotus feet of Lord Sri Krsna, the maintainer of the gopis. He is like an

> ocean of nectar, and He is the cause of universal transcendental bliss. He

> is always existing with brilliance.'"

>

> >>> Ref. VedaBase => Madhya 13.80

>

>

> Lord Caitanya was very strict about his social responsibilities. He never

> allowed women to come near.

>

> There is the whole story about Haridasa junior. The Lord (outwardly)

> severely punished His pure devotee for a minor mistake just to teach us

how

> important is to stick to our designated ashram's codes. Isn't it?

>

> Hope this finds you in the best of health.

>

> Your servant,

> Mahat-tattva dasa

>

> ps

> I hope you don't mind, I sent this text to the Brahmacari conference also.

I

> would like to hear other Vaisnavas' comments, just in case I am wrong. Or

if

> I am not others can learn from this.

>

>

> >

> > > What are you trying to prove? That one should not follow his

prescribed

> > > duties? We can't say "I am chanting Hare Krishna, I am transcendental

> > > and therefore I don't need to follow my prescribed duties as a

> > > brahmacari." If

> > I

> > > would behave like that Svavasa Pr. would kick me out in no time. Same

> > thing

> > > with any of the mothers in the ashram.

> > >

> > > Devotees also follow rules and regulations of varna, ashrama, gender

> > > etc. otherwise why Srila Prabhupada wanted us to establish varnas and

> > > ashramas and why did he speak so much about diferent duties of men and

> > > women. It is not that Srila Prabhupada didn't know what to do with his

> > > time so he spoke so much on mundain subject matters.

[Guest guest]

> I repeat, if one follows the following Vaisnava regulative principles set

> by our founder acarya, we will not be failing in any of the social

> responsibilities. The Vaisnava regulative principles set by Srila

> Prabupada are all inclusive. The social prescribed duties are

> automatically achieved. There is no need to separately endeavour, as Your

> brahmacarya or my grihastha ashrama regulative principles are already a

> part of the following preascribed duties of ISKCON members, set by our

> founder acarya, the most brilliant and compassionate acarya for this age.

>

> 1. Follow morning and evening program.

> 2. Chant 16 malas.

> 2. Follow four regulative principles.

> 4. Make an honest living.

> 5. Preach or help preachers in preaching.

 

Certainly this is sufficient for developing our love of God, which is life's

goal, and helping others to do the same. However, Srila Prabhupada did

indicate that he wanted to establish varnasrama dharma and to do this we

have to educate people in the different duties of the different varnas,

asramas, etc. and follow them ourselves. If we want to follow Srila

Prabhupada, we each should make at least some humble attempt to carry out

this order of his, as we dutifully carry out the important items you kindly

reminded us of.

 

your servant,

Krishna-kripa das

moderator of Brahmacarya

 

> Hare Krishna.

>

> Your humble servant,

> Bhadra Govinda Dasa.

>

>

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> Sunday, June 16, 2002 12:26 AM

> Re: Women's role and intelligence

>

>

> > Hare Krishna dear Prabhu.

> > Please accept my humble obeisances.

> > All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

> >

> > > Srila Prabhupada is most brilliant, and he has given to us exactly

> > > what

> is

> > > required for *this age*. Chant 16 malas, attend morning and evening

> > > program, follow 4 regulative principles and make an honest living, and

> > > preach to the extant possible. If anyone does that, he will not be

> > > failing in any of his other prescribed duties, in which ever varna,

> > > asrama, gender one may be.

> >

> > Yes Srila Prabhupada demonstrated this, but as our society is growing we

> > need to apply other things too. As I said why did Srila Prabhupada spend

> so

> > much of his precious time to explain about different social rolls? If

> > you stress only one side one may get impression that you are trying to

> > avoid your social responsibilities. Just imagine how ugly is to see a

> > brahmacari developing intimate relationship with opposite sex. In this

> > regard we

> can't

> > quote Lord Caitanya where He says that we are none of the materially

> > designated varnas or ashramas:

> >

> > "`I am not a brahmana, I am not a ksatriya, I am not a vaisya or a

> > sudra. Nor am I a brahmacari, a householder, a vanaprastha or a

> > sannyasi. I identify Myself only as the servant of the servant of the

> > servant of the lotus feet of Lord Sri Krsna, the maintainer of the

> > gopis. He is like an ocean of nectar, and He is the cause of universal

> > transcendental bliss. He is always existing with brilliance.'"

> >

> > >>> Ref. VedaBase => Madhya 13.80

> >

> >

> > Lord Caitanya was very strict about his social responsibilities. He

> > never allowed women to come near.

> >

> > There is the whole story about Haridasa junior. The Lord (outwardly)

> > severely punished His pure devotee for a minor mistake just to teach us

> how

> > important is to stick to our designated ashram's codes. Isn't it?

> >

> > Hope this finds you in the best of health.

> >

> > Your servant,

> > Mahat-tattva dasa

> >

> > ps

> > I hope you don't mind, I sent this text to the Brahmacari conference

> > also.

> I

> > would like to hear other Vaisnavas' comments, just in case I am wrong.

> > Or

> if

> > I am not others can learn from this.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > > What are you trying to prove? That one should not follow his

> prescribed

> > > > duties? We can't say "I am chanting Hare Krishna, I am

> > > > transcendental and therefore I don't need to follow my prescribed

> > > > duties as a brahmacari." If

> > > I

> > > > would behave like that Svavasa Pr. would kick me out in no time.

> > > > Same

> > > thing

> > > > with any of the mothers in the ashram.

> > > >

> > > > Devotees also follow rules and regulations of varna, ashrama, gender

> > > > etc. otherwise why Srila Prabhupada wanted us to establish varnas

> > > > and ashramas and why did he speak so much about diferent duties of

> > > > men and women. It is not that Srila Prabhupada didn't know what to

> > > > do with his time so he spoke so much on mundain subject matters.

[Guest guest]

I am busy, and travelling to Germany. I will continue to discuss this after

a week. VAD is my favourite subject and I love any istagosti on this

subject.

 

Just a comment, before I take a 10 days leave from this conference.

 

To establish or reestablish VAD, it is essential and sufficient if one

follows and praches others to follow the following 6 points :

 

1. Attend morning and evening program.

2. Chant 16 malas.

3. Follow four regulative principles.

4. Make an honest living.

5. Preach or help preachers in preaching.

6. Siksa and Diksa

 

All the 4 varnas and 4 asramas are already there. Only thing is they have

forgotten Krishna. VAD is established by reviving people's KC, by above 6

points.

 

Please tell me the prescribed duties of a ISKCON brahmacari or Grihastha or

vanaprastha or Sannyasi and we can see, those prescribed duties are already

included in the above 6 points.

 

Daivy Varnasrama and Krishna Consciousness are both same.

 

Don't you agree?

 

Here is one of my favourite quotes on VAD from SB puports.

 

Here is a nice quote from SB by purports by Srila Prabhupada.

 

"The system of caste, or varnasrama-dharma, is no longer regular even

amongst the so-called followers of the system. *Nor is it now possible to

reestablish the institutional function in the present context of social,

political and economic revolution*. Without any reference to the particular

custom of a country, one can be accepted to the Vaisnava cult spiritually,

and there is no hindrance in the *transcendental* process. So by the order

of Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, the cult of Srimad-Bhagavatam or the

Bhagavad-gita can be preached all over the world, reclaiming all persons

willing to accept the transcendental cult. Such cultural propaganda by the

devotees will certainly be accepted by all persons who are reasonable and

inquisitive, ..

 

Hare Krishna,

 

Your humble servant,

Bhadra Govinda Dasa.

 

> Certainly this is sufficient for developing our love of God, which is

life's

> goal, and helping others to do the same. However, Srila Prabhupada did

> indicate that he wanted to establish varnasrama dharma and to do this we

> have to educate people in the different duties of the different varnas,

> asramas, etc. and follow them ourselves. If we want to follow Srila

> Prabhupada, we each should make at least some humble attempt to carry out

> this order of his, as we dutifully carry out the important items you

kindly

> reminded us of.

>

> your servant,

> Krishna-kripa das

> moderator of Brahmacarya

[Guest guest]

> > I repeat, if one follows the following Vaisnava regulative principles

> > set by our founder acarya, we will not be failing in any of the social

> > responsibilities. The Vaisnava regulative principles set by Srila

> > Prabupada are all inclusive. The social prescribed duties are

> > automatically achieved. There is no need to separately endeavour, as

> > Your brahmacarya or my grihastha ashrama regulative principles are

> > already a part of the following preascribed duties of ISKCON members,

> > set by our founder acarya, the most brilliant and compassionate acarya

> > for this age.

> >

> > 1. Follow morning and evening program.

> > 2. Chant 16 malas.

> > 2. Follow four regulative principles.

> > 4. Make an honest living.

> > 5. Preach or help preachers in preaching.

>

> Certainly this is sufficient for developing our love of God, which is

> life's goal, and helping others to do the same. However, Srila Prabhupada

> did indicate that he wanted to establish varnasrama dharma and to do this

> we have to educate people in the different duties of the different varnas,

> asramas, etc. and follow them ourselves. If we want to follow Srila

> Prabhupada, we each should make at least some humble attempt to carry out

> this order of his, as we dutifully carry out the important items you

> kindly reminded us of.

 

 

 

The varnasrama college has to be established immediately. Everywhere,

wherever we have got our center, a varnasrama college should be established

to train four divisions: one class, brahmana; one class, ksatriya; one

class, vaisya; and one class, sudra.

 

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Morning Walk -- March 12, 1974, Vrndavana

 

 

 

 

Prabhupada: Ah. They're Vaisnava. But because they have got to live in the

material world, there must be division of work. If everyone wants to become

the brain, who will act as leg? That is also required. If everyone says,

"No, no, I'm not going to do the work of leg. I want simply to work as..."

No. It is needed. The brain is needed, the hand is needed, the belly is

needed, the leg is needed. So that we have to divide. Who will work as

brain, who will work as hand, who will work as leg... The main aim is how to

maintain this body perfectly, fit. That should be the aim, how the society

will go on nicely. And for management, this hand, leg, brain, belly must be

divided.

 

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Morning Walk -- March 14, 1974, Vrndavana

 

 

Your servant,

Mahat-tattva dasa

[Guest guest]

Dear Prabhu,

 

PAMHO. AGTSP.

 

There are a few more interesting quotes, in the morning walk series on VAD at

Vrindavana, which give a more wholesome understanding, on VAD and will put

everything in the right perspective.

 

I am sure you can find them, along with the following two, quotes.

 

Your humble servant,

Bhadra Govinda Dasa.

 

On 16 Jun 2002, Mahat-tattva das wrote:

 

> The varnasrama college has to be established immediately. Everywhere,

> wherever we have got our center, a varnasrama college should be established

> to train four divisions: one class, brahmana; one class, ksatriya; one

> class, vaisya; and one class, sudra.

>

> >>> Ref. VedaBase => Morning Walk -- March 12, 1974, Vrndavana

>

>

>

>

> Prabhupada: Ah. They're Vaisnava. But because they have got to live in the

> material world, there must be division of work. If everyone wants to become

> the brain, who will act as leg? That is also required. If everyone says,

> "No, no, I'm not going to do the work of leg. I want simply to work as..."

> No. It is needed. The brain is needed, the hand is needed, the belly is

> needed, the leg is needed. So that we have to divide. Who will work as

> brain, who will work as hand, who will work as leg... The main aim is how to

> maintain this body perfectly, fit. That should be the aim, how the society

> will go on nicely. And for management, this hand, leg, brain, belly must be

> divided.

>

> >>> Ref. VedaBase => Morning Walk -- March 14, 1974, Vrndavana

>

>

> Your servant,

> Mahat-tattva dasa