VAD Women's role and intelligence

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Dear devotees,

 

PAMHO. AGTSP.

 

This is my understanding of VAD according to Guru, Sadhu and Sastra to the

extant I have understood. I am willing to understand more, from others

 

Varnasrama Dharma is not same as Daivy Varnasrama. Daivy Varnasrama is KC.

Varnasrama is simply natural divisions created by Lord Krishna based on the

three modes of material nature. This is external and superficial according

Lord Caitanya.

 

Ofcourse, Srila Prabhupada has used Varnasrama Dharma synonymous to Daivy

Varnasrama, just like the word liberation is used in various meanings

(impersonal, 4 types of personal, and devotinal liberation, but the true

factual liberation is devotional liberation).

 

This natural divisions are there in the past present and future, just like

the Sun which is created by Krishna.

 

Just like the sun can not be seen when covered some time by clowds, people

in ignorance cannot see these natural divisions.

 

Varnasrama Dharma is already there what is there to establish/re-establish.

It simply means, make the society KC by Siksa and Diksa. Just remove the

clowd or covering of ignorance then they can see things As It Is.

 

Varnasrama Dharma is followed even by Asuras in the past and even today.

Today a doctor's son is not accepted as a doctor by birthright even by

asuras (atheists). Or for that matter any other occupation also. The

Indian caste system is the most demonic.

 

Daivy Varnasrama is a society which is Krishna Conscious. That is a

varnasrama society, which accepts only those rules and regulations of the

varnasrama dharma which do not oppose devotional activities. So those rules

and regulations also become devotional service.

 

For example fasting on Ekadashi to please Krishna is KC (devotional

service)and fasting on Ekadashi for attaining Dharma, Artha, Kama and Moksa

is the regular Varnasrama Dharma. The activity is same, the consciousness

is different. So devotees accept only those rules and regulations of VAD

which are pleasing to Krishna.

 

Similarly sraddha ceremony, and other purificatory processes also.

Reestablishing varnasrama dharma does not mean to introduce / follow all

those ritualistic processes which are there in the Vedas.

 

Re-establish by Siksa and Diksa that is simply by preaching Krishna

Cosnciousness. Re-establish does not mean, again rubber stamping people as

brahmana, Ksatriya, Vaisya and Sudra.

 

Here is a nice quote from SB by purports by Srila Prabhupada.

 

"The system of caste, or varnasrama-dharma, is no longer regular even

amongst the so-called followers of the system. *Nor is it now possible to

reestablish the institutional function in the present context of social,

political and economic revolution*. Without any reference to the particular

custom of a country, one can be accepted to the Vaisnava cult spiritually,

and there is no hindrance in the *transcendental* process. So by the order

of Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, the cult of Srimad-Bhagavatam or the

Bhagavad-gita can be preached all over the world, reclaiming all persons

willing to accept the transcendental cult. Such cultural propaganda by the

devotees will certainly be accepted by all persons who are reasonable and

inquisitive, ..

 

Ofcourse, on the orders of Lord Sri Krishna, during the process of

siksa/diksa we do not disturb the position of any one as "sthane sthita"

according to Lord Caitanya. If superficially some one gives up the

position, he will become a pretender.

 

So do I mean to say varnasrama and daivi varnasrama are two different

established systems?

 

Yes and No. Depends on the usage, and context of the term. Traditinal

Varnasrama Dharma practices as per the vedas is simply for the smooth

functioning of the society. This should not be disturbed even by pure

devotees as Krishna has instructed in Bg.

 

Technically Varnasrama Dharma is *natural* divisions of the society and

Daivy Varnasram is beyond Varnasrama Dharma that is KC.

 

Here is a quote from BRS by Srila Rupa Goswami,

 

"Some scholars argue that simply by following the principles of varna and

asrama one can gradually rise to the perfections reached by practicing

devotional service, but this argument is not accepted by the great

authorities."

 

Talking of Pandavas , they were pure devotees. They were following VAD as

much as Kauravas were following. Only difference is the consciousness was

different.

 

Devotees having nothing to do with Varnasrama. But to uplift fallen souls

like me, they follow and maintain VAD, to facilitate athiests like me to

take up to sadhana bhakti.

 

SB (11.18.28)

"A learned transcendentalist dedicated to the cultivation of knowledge and

thus detached from external objects, or My devotee who is detached even from

desire for liberation, both neglect those duties based on external rituals

or paraphernalia. Thus their conduct is beyond the range of rules and

regulations."

 

Bg (18.66)

"Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall

deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear

 

Bg (18.47)"It is better to engage in one's own occupation, even though one

may perform it imperfectly, than to accept another's occupation and perform

it perfectly. Prescribed duties, according to one's nature, are never

affected by sinful reactions" This is for neophytes like me.

 

Bg (2.45) "The Vedas mainly deal with the three modes of material nature.

Rise above these modes, O Arjuna. be transcendental to all of them." (Rise

above VAD?)

 

Bg (3.26) "Let not the wise disrupt the minds of the ignorant who are

attached to fruitive action. They should not be encouraged to refrain from

work, but to engage in work in a spirit of devotion" (This is the instrution

devotees Mahatmas like Srila Prabhupada, follow to not disrupt ordinary

people like me, but to encourage me in my material work, even though SP has

got nothing to do with VAD, but follows this instruction for the sake of

sinners like me).

 

"Whatever action is performed by a great man, common men follow in his

footsteps. And whatever standards he sets by exemplary acts, all the world

pursues."

 

Bg 3.20 "Therefore, just for the sake of educating the people in general,

you should perform your work"

 

Your humble servant,

Bhadra Govinda Dasa.