Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 , "Ralph Bakr" <108 wrote: > > Rudra is identical to Soma, who was worshipped in a pillar, very similarly to Shivalinga worship. > > This sentence does not make sense to me. The Rg Veda clearly describes Soma in the most lucid way. I have read these mandalas for many years and also listened to the pure Sam-Veda recitations (chants). > > The Shivalinga worship of a black stone is different. Soma is white and light. Soma is without colour. Soma flows within. The lingas can really be seen in the crown-chakra. The teaching from Tryambaka is non-dual and mystic. sivalinga worship doesnt exactly need to be a black stone. there are white colored marble like stones or even lingas made with sand like that we see in famous temple like rameshwaram. linga means 'liM gamayati iti lingaH', the one that stretches infintely to the sky or the divine energy that stretches up to the infinte sky is linga. the vedic rituals constitute many hymns and deities but the vedic soma is carried in a cart n then kept in a pillar like thing and hymn are chanted. this pillar does look like a siva linga with the soma kept on top of it. secondly, the vedic altar called "agni" is constructed using around 1000 bricks each laid with vedic hymns itself. it takes around 5 days for the construction to complete as all offering are done on top of this altar after it is done. the first hymn to be chanted right after the construction is not the one to indra or soma or agni but the very famous "rudram and chamakam" and a continous abhisheka is done like the 'dhAra' we do to sivalinga in temples nowadays. the similarites like these are many. and they also say that a kirlian photo of this altar shows a giant sivalinga (1975 panjal somayaga) . Adwaith ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Home is just a click away. Make your home page now. http://us.click./DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/XUWolB/TM --~-> <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Ralph said: (snip) I am really fascinated what you actually try to convey in this impressive writing ... That the left-handed path of God is so great? First a strong Brotherhood needs to be formed. You can not fool me. I know precisely the situation of Tantra in this third millennium and it hardly exists. Satanism - also a left-hand path as you know - is only seriously practised in California and in the Netherlands. Many people have tantric fantasies. Crowley did interesting experiments with Scarlet-women. Western women are rather complex. Tantra has become the domain of wackos and dreamers. It is not so easy to figure out how to make the proper oblations. I thank you for your beautiful sharings. Ralph. *********** hmmmm... Well, as a Western woman, I shall offer a complex reply I'm a "wacko" and a "dreamer", I freely admit it! I've been labeled all of the above referenced and then some. It is a privilege to be scorned by all, in one way or another, as it frees me from any boundaries, hehe. But ... my day to day includes experience of the NOW which is joyous or even perhaps "blissful", so I'll throw down with any and all, whatever, so long as it's within the balance and the intent is Love. With respect to a "Brotherhood" ... here I would beg to differ, if I understand your meaning correctly. There are many who know or understand that there is no difference between Us, there is only the illusion of forms (and the FUN of the friction of rubbing up against those forms whatever form they take). There are many whom I consider "brothersistertwin" or whatever, many more than say, 10 years ago and growing exponentially. We inhabit each other, or not, at will. Perhaps this Multiplicity/Unity hardly exists in your universe at this moment, but please don't think this pertains to all others at this time! Namaste. Love, ZN ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Home is just a click away. Make your home page now. http://us.click./DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/XUWolB/TM --~-> <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Well, as a Western woman, I shall offer a complex reply Dear and respected sistah ZN; Thank U 4 yr spontaneity and honour. I'm a "wacko" and a "dreamer", I freely admit it! I've been labeled all of the above referenced and then some. It is a privilege to be scorned by all, in one way or another, as it frees me from any boundaries, hehe. But ... my day to day includes experience of the NOW which is joyous or even perhaps "blissful", so I'll throw down with any and all, whatever, so long as it's within the balance and the intent is Love. Well ... and what if It is not within the balancy or your capabilities thereof? With respect to a "Brotherhood" ... here I would beg to differ, if I understand your meaning correctly. There are many who know or understand that there is no difference between Us, there is only the illusion of forms (and the FUN of the friction of rubbing up against those forms whatever form they take). There are many whom I consider "brothersistertwin" or whatever, many more than say, 10 years ago and growing exponentially. We inhabit each other, or not, at will. I appreciate your view on this and i beg to differ according to the spirit of Islam that is alive in me. Perhaps this Multiplicity/Unity hardly exists in your universe at this moment, but please don't think this pertains to all others at this time! Thank you so much. U truly r very courteous. My mind is often distracted by the poorest people on the planet. In fact attracted. I worry about our brothers there who can hardly bring the food home. Or the women who have to consider very undignified thoughts and suggestions that even wipe away decent religion. Asalaamaleikum Ralph Bakr. Namaste. Love, ZN ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Home is just a click away. Make your home page now. http://us.click./DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/XUWolB/TM --~-> <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 As said answer is complex Are you subscribing Ralph views or replying to it? By any means this does not answer this basic questions the left-handed path of God is so great? Ralph is unable to understand why Satanism - also a left-hand path as you know - is only seriously practised in California and in the Netherlands Ralph has generalised with this, indicating not only tantra but other left handed practises too It is not so easy to figure out how to make the proper oblations Any response to make him understand how easy it is??? - znanna93 Friday, May 19, 2006 5:22 AM Re: Vedic Shaivism and the Tryambaka-lineage Ralph said: (snip) I am really fascinated what you actually try to convey in this impressive writing ... That the left-handed path of God is so great? First a strong Brotherhood needs to be formed. You can not fool me. I know precisely the situation of Tantra in this third millennium and it hardly exists. Satanism - also a left-hand path as you know - is only seriously practised in California and in the Netherlands. Many people have tantric fantasies. Crowley did interesting experiments with Scarlet-women. Western women are rather complex. Tantra has become the domain of wackos and dreamers. It is not so easy to figure out how to make the proper oblations. I thank you for your beautiful sharings. Ralph. *********** hmmmm... Well, as a Western woman, I shall offer a complex reply I'm a "wacko" and a "dreamer", I freely admit it! I've been labeled all of the above referenced and then some. It is a privilege to be scorned by all, in one way or another, as it frees me from any boundaries, hehe. But ... my day to day includes experience of the NOW which is joyous or even perhaps "blissful", so I'll throw down with any and all, whatever, so long as it's within the balance and the intent is Love. With respect to a "Brotherhood" ... here I would beg to differ, if I understand your meaning correctly. There are many who know or understand that there is no difference between Us, there is only the illusion of forms (and the FUN of the friction of rubbing up against those forms whatever form they take). There are many whom I consider "brothersistertwin" or whatever, many more than say, 10 years ago and growing exponentially. We inhabit each other, or not, at will. Perhaps this Multiplicity/Unity hardly exists in your universe at this moment, but please don't think this pertains to all others at this time! Namaste. Love, ZN Shiva shakti Shakti Shakti gawain Devi Divine a.. Visit your group "" on the web. b.. c.. ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Home is just a click away. Make your home page now. http://us.click./DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/XUWolB/TM --~-> <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Namaste, In my opinion what Ralph says is perfect for Ralph For me, there is no difference. There is only a question when there is "us" and "them" ... but if we are all ONE, the notion of "left hand" or even of "God" is meaningless, eh? The whole notion of "my God is better than your God" is innately dualistic, in my opinion. The bickering between religions, or worse, within religions, itself is divisive, and devolutionary ... evil as some say. To me, this is perversion, not the silly trappings of who has sex when, under what circumstances for example. JMHO Love, ZN , "ZZZ Jalasayanan" <jalasayanan wrote: > > As said answer is complex > > Are you subscribing Ralph views or replying to it? > > By any means this does not answer this basic questions > > the left-handed path of God is so great? Ralph is unable to understand why > > Satanism - also a left-hand path as you know - is only seriously practised in California and in the Netherlands > Ralph has generalised with this, indicating not only tantra but other left handed practises too > > It is not so easy to figure out how to make the proper oblations > Any response to make him understand how easy it is??? > - > znanna93 > > Friday, May 19, 2006 5:22 AM > Re: Vedic Shaivism and the Tryambaka- lineage > > > Ralph said: > > (snip) > > I am really fascinated what you actually try to convey in this > impressive > writing ... > > That the left-handed path of God is so great? > > First a strong Brotherhood needs to be formed. You can not fool me. > I know > precisely the situation of Tantra in this third millennium and it > hardly exists. > > Satanism - also a left-hand path as you know - is only seriously > practised in > California and in the Netherlands. > > Many people have tantric fantasies. Crowley did interesting > experiments with > Scarlet-women. > > Western women are rather complex. Tantra has become the domain of > wackos and > dreamers. > > It is not so easy to figure out how to make the proper oblations. > > I thank you for your beautiful sharings. > > > Ralph. > > *********** > > hmmmm... > > Well, as a Western woman, I shall offer a complex reply > > I'm a "wacko" and a "dreamer", I freely admit it! I've been labeled > all of the above referenced and then some. It is a privilege to be > scorned by all, in one way or another, as it frees me from any > boundaries, hehe. But ... my day to day includes experience of the > NOW which is joyous or even perhaps "blissful", so I'll throw down > with any and all, whatever, so long as it's within the balance and > the intent is Love. > > With respect to a "Brotherhood" ... here I would beg to differ, if I > understand your meaning correctly. There are many who know or > understand that there is no difference between Us, there is only the > illusion of forms (and the FUN of the friction of rubbing up against > those forms whatever form they take). There are many whom I > consider "brothersistertwin" or whatever, many more than say, > 10 years ago and growing exponentially. We inhabit each other, or > not, at will. > > Perhaps this Multiplicity/Unity hardly exists in your universe at > this moment, but please don't think this pertains to all others at > this time! > > Namaste. > > > Love, > ZN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shiva shakti Shakti Shakti gawain > Devi Divine > > > - ----------- > > > a.. Visit your group "" on the web. > > b.. > > > c.. Terms of Service. > > > - ----------- > > > > > ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click./97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/XUWolB/TM --~-> <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Tantrism has nothing to do with "satanism" and "left-hand" path as it is thought of in the West. Ralph has somewhat confused ideas of these matters. Vamachara is great, and it is based upon Agama, an inner part of Shruti. Western "left- hand" sects are invented as a parody over christianity or go back to primitive folk cults. A , "ZZZ Jalasayanan" <jalasayanan wrote: > > As said answer is complex > > Are you subscribing Ralph views or replying to it? > > By any means this does not answer this basic questions > > the left-handed path of God is so great? Ralph is unable to understand why > > Satanism - also a left-hand path as you know - is only seriously practised in California and in the Netherlands > Ralph has generalised with this, indicating not only tantra but other left handed practises too > > It is not so easy to figure out how to make the proper oblations > Any response to make him understand how easy it is??? > - > znanna93 > > Friday, May 19, 2006 5:22 AM > Re: Vedic Shaivism and the Tryambaka-lineage > > > Ralph said: > > (snip) > > I am really fascinated what you actually try to convey in this > impressive > writing ... > > That the left-handed path of God is so great? > > First a strong Brotherhood needs to be formed. You can not fool me. > I know > precisely the situation of Tantra in this third millennium and it > hardly exists. > > Satanism - also a left-hand path as you know - is only seriously > practised in > California and in the Netherlands. > > Many people have tantric fantasies. Crowley did interesting > experiments with > Scarlet-women. > > Western women are rather complex. Tantra has become the domain of > wackos and > dreamers. > > It is not so easy to figure out how to make the proper oblations. > > I thank you for your beautiful sharings. > > > Ralph. > > *********** > > hmmmm... > > Well, as a Western woman, I shall offer a complex reply > > I'm a "wacko" and a "dreamer", I freely admit it! I've been labeled > all of the above referenced and then some. It is a privilege to be > scorned by all, in one way or another, as it frees me from any > boundaries, hehe. But ... my day to day includes experience of the > NOW which is joyous or even perhaps "blissful", so I'll throw down > with any and all, whatever, so long as it's within the balance and > the intent is Love. > > With respect to a "Brotherhood" ... here I would beg to differ, if I > understand your meaning correctly. There are many who know or > understand that there is no difference between Us, there is only the > illusion of forms (and the FUN of the friction of rubbing up against > those forms whatever form they take). There are many whom I > consider "brothersistertwin" or whatever, many more than say, > 10 years ago and growing exponentially. We inhabit each other, or > not, at will. > > Perhaps this Multiplicity/Unity hardly exists in your universe at > this moment, but please don't think this pertains to all others at > this time! > > Namaste. > > > Love, > ZN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 I am still interested in what Ralph exactly thinks "Tantra" is and waiting for his reply to my message /message/22459 What exactly is your Definition of "Tantric" or agamic as oppossed to "vedic" observances, .... To include satanism, or Crowleys Thelema among the list of tantric paths is rather peculiar and makes me doubt his expertise. I notice that there seems to exist a general confusion about the distinctions between different Religions and Paths. I would not be surprised if all of a sudden someone will proclaim the insight that gnostic sects of Islam, jewish kabbalists or Christian mystics, practiconers and "gurus" of neo rajnesh sex theraphy, are all declared to be ardent followers of differing tantric Path. Mahahradantha , "Arjuna Taranandanatha" <bhagatirtha wrote: > > Tantrism has nothing to do with "satanism" and "left-hand" path as it is thought of in the > West. > Ralph has somewhat confused ideas of these matters. > > Vamachara is great, and it is based upon Agama, an inner part of Shruti. Western "left- > hand" sects are invented as a parody over christianity or go back to primitive folk cults. > > A > > > , "ZZZ Jalasayanan" <jalasayanan@> wrote: > > > > As said answer is complex > > > > Are you subscribing Ralph views or replying to it? > > > > By any means this does not answer this basic questions > > > > the left-handed path of God is so great? Ralph is unable to understand why > > > > Satanism - also a left-hand path as you know - is only seriously practised in California > and in the Netherlands > > Ralph has generalised with this, indicating not only tantra but other left handed > practises too > > > > It is not so easy to figure out how to make the proper oblations > > Any response to make him understand how easy it is??? > > - > > znanna93 > > > > Friday, May 19, 2006 5:22 AM > > Re: Vedic Shaivism and the Tryambaka- lineage > > > > > > Ralph said: > > > > (snip) > > > > I am really fascinated what you actually try to convey in this > > impressive > > writing ... > > > > That the left-handed path of God is so great? > > > > First a strong Brotherhood needs to be formed. You can not fool me. > > I know > > precisely the situation of Tantra in this third millennium and it > > hardly exists. > > > > Satanism - also a left-hand path as you know - is only seriously > > practised in > > California and in the Netherlands. > > > > Many people have tantric fantasies. Crowley did interesting > > experiments with > > Scarlet-women. > > > > Western women are rather complex. Tantra has become the domain of > > wackos and > > dreamers. > > > > It is not so easy to figure out how to make the proper oblations. > > > > I thank you for your beautiful sharings. > > > > > > Ralph. > > > > *********** > > > > hmmmm... > > > > Well, as a Western woman, I shall offer a complex reply > > > > I'm a "wacko" and a "dreamer", I freely admit it! I've been labeled > > all of the above referenced and then some. It is a privilege to be > > scorned by all, in one way or another, as it frees me from any > > boundaries, hehe. But ... my day to day includes experience of the > > NOW which is joyous or even perhaps "blissful", so I'll throw down > > with any and all, whatever, so long as it's within the balance and > > the intent is Love. > > > > With respect to a "Brotherhood" ... here I would beg to differ, if I > > understand your meaning correctly. There are many who know or > > understand that there is no difference between Us, there is only the > > illusion of forms (and the FUN of the friction of rubbing up against > > those forms whatever form they take). There are many whom I > > consider "brothersistertwin" or whatever, many more than say, > > 10 years ago and growing exponentially. We inhabit each other, or > > not, at will. > > > > Perhaps this Multiplicity/Unity hardly exists in your universe at > > this moment, but please don't think this pertains to all others at > > this time! > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > Love, > > ZN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 Well Mahahradanatha, our Dear Ralph have left the group, sending me a personal message saying some people in this group lack sense of humour. Ya-lah! she [ I always thought Ralph is a man] is right. Maybe some of you need a dose of my Lat series. Just look what it does to the mind of a 7 yrs old. Imagine the wonders it can do to the minds of children below 100 yrs old. I will try to get permission from the publisher to get it maye one particular series and put it in my own homepage. mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha > wrote: I am still interested in what Ralph exactly thinks "Tantra" is and waiting for his reply to my message /message/22459 What exactly is your Definition of "Tantric" or agamic as oppossed to "vedic" observances, .... To include satanism, or Crowleys Thelema among the list of tantric paths is rather peculiar and makes me doubt his expertise. I notice that there seems to exist a general confusion about the distinctions between different Religions and Paths. I would not be surprised if all of a sudden someone will proclaim the insight that gnostic sects of Islam, jewish kabbalists or Christian mystics, practiconers and "gurus" of neo rajnesh sex theraphy, are all declared to be ardent followers of differing tantric Path. Mahahradantha ".. you may shoot me with your words... you may cut me with your eyes ... you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still like air, I will rise ..." Maya Angelou " Some people come into our lives and quickly go. Some stay for a while and leave foot prints on our heart and we are never ever the same again " Shakti Sadhana Homepage at http://www.shaktisadhana.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 My dear Nora Inch Allah ! ....if i think about it- i never ever laughed reading his posts .....maybe he was referring to me in his comment, i am in dire need of the LAt series if i can regain my lost sense of humor, i may not end up being the bouncer of the Shakti Sadhana Bar. Why do you think he is a she? I think She is a He, or a napumsaka (s)he wrote that his/her Guru telling him/her to have sex with two woman, but maybe THIS was the joke, lacking the Lat series and therefore any sense of humor i cannot tell. , "N.Madasamy" <ashwini_puralasamy wrote: > > Well Mahahradanatha, our Dear Ralph have left the group, sending me a personal message saying some people in this group lack sense of humour. Ya-lah! she [ I always thought Ralph is a man] is right. Maybe some of you need a dose of my Lat series. Just look what it does to the mind of a 7 yrs old. Imagine the wonders it can do to the minds of children below 100 yrs old. > > I will try to get permission from the publisher to get it maye one particular series and put it in my own homepage. > > > mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha wrote: > I am still interested in what Ralph exactly thinks "Tantra" is and > waiting for his reply to my message > > /message/22459 > What exactly is your Definition of "Tantric" or agamic as oppossed > to "vedic" observances, .... > To include satanism, or Crowleys Thelema among the list of tantric > paths is rather peculiar and makes me doubt his expertise. > I notice that there seems to exist a general confusion about the > distinctions between different Religions and Paths. I would not be > surprised if all of a sudden someone will proclaim the insight that > gnostic sects of Islam, jewish kabbalists or Christian mystics, > practiconers and "gurus" of neo rajnesh sex theraphy, are all > declared to be ardent followers of differing tantric Path. > > Mahahradantha > > > > > > > ".. you may shoot me with your words... you may cut me with your eyes ... you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still like air, I will rise ..." > > Maya Angelou > > " Some people come into our lives and quickly go. Some stay for a while and leave foot prints on our heart and we are never ever the same again " > > Shakti Sadhana Homepage at http://www.shaktisadhana.org > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 All this reminds me of the poem by Alfred Lord Tennyson (1809-1892) - the line "for men may come and men may go but I "SS" go on for ever ;-) By the way Ralph is a guy. I have truly loved corressponding personally with both Mahahradanatha and Ralph and feel blessed for the same. Sorry to see you go Ralph :-( Ahhh ... the poem or the link http://www.wussu.com/poems/alttb.htm The Brook I come from haunts of coot and hern, I make a sudden sally And sparkle out among the fern, To bicker down a valley. By thirty hills I hurry down, Or slip between the ridges, By twenty thorpes, a little town, And half a hundred bridges. Till last by Philip's farm I flow To join the brimming river, For men may come and men may go, But I go on for ever. I chatter over stony ways, In little sharps and trebles, I bubble into eddying bays, I babble on the pebbles. With many a curve my banks I fret By many a field and fallow, And many a fairy foreland set With willow-weed and mallow. I chatter, chatter, as I flow To join the brimming river, For men may come and men may go, But I go on for ever. I wind about, and in and out, With here a blossom sailing, And here and there a lusty trout, And here and there a grayling, And here and there a foamy flake Upon me, as I travel With many a silvery waterbreak Above the golden gravel, And draw them all along, and flow To join the brimming river For men may come and men may go, But I go on for ever. I steal by lawns and grassy plots, I slide by hazel covers; I move the sweet forget-me-nots That grow for happy lovers. I slip, I slide, I gloom, I glance, Among my skimming swallows; I make the netted sunbeam dance Against my sandy shallows. I murmur under moon and stars In brambly wildernesses; I linger by my shingly bars; I loiter round my cresses; And out again I curve and flow To join the brimming river, For men may come and men may go, But I go on for ever. mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha > wrote: My dear Nora Inch Allah ! ...if i think about it- i never ever laughed reading his posts ....maybe he was referring to me in his comment, i am in dire need of the LAt series if i can regain my lost sense of humor, i may not end up being the bouncer of the Shakti Sadhana Bar. Why do you think he is a she? I think She is a He, or a napumsaka (s)he wrote that his/her Guru telling him/her to have sex with two woman, but maybe THIS was the joke, lacking the Lat series and therefore any sense of humor i cannot tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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